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Did they really need to disect it? Im sure the x-ray showed enough. Interesting article though.

poor poor kingsnake

Yeah poor kingsnake, I felt the same way. They dissected the kingsnake to see how a kingsnake hatchling could eat a corn snake bigger than itself, when they dissected it, they found that the kingsnake had a stomach that can stretch more than normal to fit that extra bit of snake. I like the article though.
Michael
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Of course they did. Soft tissues dont show up well if at all on xrays. Things get dissected all the time its part of research and science. Believe me far farless animals are killed via dissection (for a purpose)than say are run over by cars or killed due to negligence by people who dont know how to take care of their animals.

Keith
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Great scan there Mike. Would you please email me a jpg of it w/ the complete source. Is their more to the article on another page?
I fd a 3' yuma kingsnake once so stuffed w/ a 4' coachwhip, it could not crawl...unfortunately it puked when I tried to shoo it off the dirt road.
Perhaps the purveyors of this forum might like to see a real inhalation feat [you know the one...the regalis consuming the getulus!]!!!

Come on Mike you know that Getula (dude it its Getula and not Getulus) getting aten by the Regal was already dead. Those ringnecks are only here for food for Kings lol oh yeah and to wreak havoc on earth worms.

Keith
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Those ringnecks are only here for food for Kings lol oh yeah and to wreak havoc on earth worms.

lol Keith, just by you saying that shows you have very little knowledge of Diadophis. The western sub-species, mainly regalis, will not feed on earthworms, they feed on snakes and lizards, even a kingsnake if they come across it, yes a kingsnake.

Only the eastern sub-species feed mainly on earthworms, and those even add salamanders, mice and lizards to their diets. Haven't you ever witnessed what happens after a kingsnake ingests a ringneck?

Oh and Keith I know that the kingsnake was dead when the regal consumed it, but that regal has taken down live kings before...

Michael
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Dude chill I was kidding or otherwise known as giving you a hard time hence the "lol". You are right though I dont have much knowledge in regards to those snake outside of being able to identify some of them.

Keith
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I imagine the ringneck gets changed into poop! what else could happen? someone please enlighten me.

Thats a better ? than you might realize!

There have been several posts in the past stating the kings [& corals]...died!

Now those would have appeared preposterous to me...but I read a fascinating account in Rossi & Rossi of a longnosed snake that attempted to swallow a S. R-N & it was bitten in the mouth, several hours later the R-N was cruising the aquarium & the Rhino was croaked! Kaufield stated way back when [Keeper & the Kept pg 224] that Son. Corals fed R-N's invariably died.

What I intend to do as part of my ongoing research w/ Diadophis is examine this furthur. If their is a real risk in eating R-N's, I would expect ophidian and perhaps avian predators to avoid them. Does their "aposematic red tail coiling display" warn predators [as one would presume based on similar displays by a host of other biota] of a very negative experience?

I would be interested in communicating w/ anyone w/ access to S or prairie R-N's that would like to assist me in exploring this
aspect furthur.

Cheers, JG

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prairie ringnecks, both live and frozen thawed, but they eat everything else in the book including kingsnakes.

When I was in High School (many years ago) in N.California (in the Bay area), I had a few cal kings as pets (locally caught). Since I was poor, and couldn't afford much then, I fed them mostly Ringnecks, Alligator lizards, rattlesnakes & garter snakes that were caught regularly near my house. I can tell you that Ringnecks, being very common in that area comprised a large part of my cal kings diet. So at least for the western forms of ringnecks, I can tell you that cal kings have no problem eating them - at least with my experience. . . Of course I can't vouch for the central US or the East Coast.

Just sharing knowledge,

Zee

I'm a master at everything, but I know so little and have so much to learn - Carsten Zoldy -

We're long overdue to have a discussion on these & other topics Rich. If you'd email me your ph # & a good time to catch you at your casa, we'll get caught up.
I'm wondering; did your corales react at all to r-n's or merely ignore them.
Zee I appreciate you taking the time to respond, results such as yours clearly indicate the need to accumulate observations rather than attempt to conclude too much from one experiment.

I can't remember if I told you, but I have a friend in Florida who reguarly feeds his Florida coral snakes, southern ringnecks. None of his corals have died after eating them, and he has been feeding them this way for years.
Michael
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John,

Back whenever I posted those pics on the Small Terrestrial Snakes forum, somebody came over here and announced the pics and a whole bunch of people got bent out of shape about them, etc. etc. So the majority of the people here have already seen the pics, and if anyone wants to see them they could easily go to the Regalis Page on Michael's Place.
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Kings are the top predator in the American ophidian world....as long as their isnt an indigo or a mussurana around, but Im still waiting for a proper citation on that article.
Im also waiting after a lifetime of many & various western getulus...when someone like Keith is going to steer me into a 5' Outerbanks type...eerr.. getula

There ya go Getula. I know when It first changed I didnt want to let it go as Getulus sounds cooler. Hey dont start up on the Dry chowin down Kings BS now. A 6' King would whup a 6' Indigo I have no doubt. Constriction is a more effective way of Killing thats why all the cool Snakes are doing it now lol.

Keith

>>Kings are the top predator in the American ophidian world....as long as their isnt an indigo or a mussurana around, but Im still waiting for a proper citation on that article.
>>Im also waiting after a lifetime of many & various western getulus...when someone like Keith is going to steer me into a 5' Outerbanks type...eerr.. getula
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