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i know there are a couple of you here that dont like to use any kind of loose substrait, but ive been using this, and thought it would be safe. i just got home from work, and im changing it tomarrow (monday 12/13). but any way, i dont know how meny of you use this substrait, or have thought about it. but i work at a major petstore chain, and we got an email today. it sais that ESU crushed walnut shell lizard litter bedding should absolutly under no surcomstance be used unless there is a screen ontop of it. its almost 100% a death wish for any reptile that eats it because is not digestable at all. so i thought id let you all know just incase your using it.
thanx for reading.
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

It's about time the petstores wised up!
Thanks for the heads-up. (I've never used the walnut substrate)

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1.1 Mali Uromastyx (Ra and Isis)

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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

its good to know someone accually cares, i posted this exact message in other dessert forums, and i got not rude, but almost there(if that makes any sence).
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

someone actually uses this stuff? i thought it was a concensus among experienced herp owners that this stuff was not good.
i am also glad that they put it in print now
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vonnie
***There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it. Mary Wilson Little ***

The key is experienced.If the pet stores tell people it's ok they dont know any better.

well he said people on the forums were getting mad at him. i thought if you made it to the forums, you were told about walnut substrate, like a rite of passage or something
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vonnie
***There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it. Mary Wilson Little ***

oops, open mouth and insert foot. i wasn't making a jab at you. i didn't realize you said you had used it.
i know it comes up in here from time to time so i thought we all knew it was bad stuff and i thought you were saying people were being mean to you for saying it was bad stuff!
well i am glad you are changing the substrate.
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vonnie
***There is no pleasure in having nothing to do; the fun is in having lots to do and not doing it. Mary Wilson Little ***

id like to consider my self experianced, but yeah i do use it, and i dont mind you thnking that. this is how i was looking at it, and obviosly it was wrong(im very seldomly wrong, but ill admit it when i am). i was thinking, well uro's, and beardie's bellies are made for veggies. so walnutshels, veggies, close enough. it cant be that bad on the stomics. that was my logic and reasoning. again, i was wrong. but any way if you go to the bearded forum, or the leo gecko forum. substrait is a constants argument. im mearly trying to be helpfull. and it isnt in writing just yet. it was an email that was sent out, and i dont think i was sapposta open my mouth about it.
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Well, even if you weren't supposed to talk about it, it's good you did. If even one lizard is switched off of it before getting lacerated intestines, it's worth it - and good for you for putting it out there, even if some people are snotty about it. Substrate is a hot topic here sometimes, too, but folks are usually civil about it!
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Torey
Eugene, Oregon, USA
1.1 Uromastyx Geyri (Joe and Arthur)
2.0.1 Uromastyx Dispar Maliensis (Tank, Turtle, and new neighbor Spike)
1.2 Anolis Carolinensis (Bowser, Leeloo, and Sprocket)
1.1 African Dwarf Frogs (Bruce and Sheila)
1.0 Betta Splendens (Mr. Miagi)
1.1 Felis Domesticus (Roscolux and Jenny)
And several miscellaneous community fish

thanx very much, thats more the response from EVERYONEthat i was looking for. i only wanted to help, and if i only helped one, then i feel i did my best. thank you again. and yeah, it was sapposta be hush hush, cause pet chains are probably ganna loose millions and millions(sarcasm) cause i blabberd to every one. im over it. but again, thank you
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Walnut shells are nasty enough that they're used in industrial media blasting for removing surface coatings as an alternative to sand/ball bearings/other abrasive materials.

This site has some basic info mentioning it, Google at will.
http://palimpsest.stanford.edu/waac/wn/wn14/wn14-3/wn14-310.html

I've had reptiles for just over a month now, and in researching their care it was apparent that walnut shells were recommended against after very little reading and it was mentioned in very many sources including all the Uro books I've picked up.

I guess if people first researched things ahead of time (I rarely trust store employees regarding authority on ANY product) and selected their substrate logically based on that, there wouldn't even be an argument...

r you saying that i didnt do any research? cause ill tell you this, saprising, i have never once seen anything online about walnut shells. i do a good amount of research on all and any reptile befor i get one.
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

>>r you saying that i didnt do any research? cause ill tell you
>>this, saprising, i have never once seen anything online about
>>walnut shells. i do a good amount of research on all and any
>>reptile befor i get one.

I'm not saying anything about you, but it was very clear in a very short amount of time that walnut shells are bad news after my research. There aren't that many Uro sites out there and they pretty much all point to each other, so discovery in and of its own isn't an esoteric thing. Of course, that's even just looking at Uro sites.
http://www.deerfernfarms.com/Uromastyx_Care.htm

AFAIR, this book that I've seen in each shop mentions it:
"Basic Care of Uromastyx" . © 1995 Philippe de Vosjoli

o ok. sorry if that sounded like i was snapping. when i think about it, i did see that it was bad, and that was my fault. that was so long ago, and i never put 2 and 2 togeather.
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

It's amazing how experienced herpers don't use this stuff and haven't for many, many years and pet stores are just now realizing that it is bad stuff. It is the same with that calcium sand they sell. Big huge claims about how easily it's digested and the benefits of the calcium but everyone knows it's a lizard killer.
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1.1 Ornates (Lindsay Pike)
0.0.1 Mali