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Does anyone know if it's possible me to crossbreed these 2 snakes? If so, any clue on what the offspring would turn out looking like? Let me know....Thanks!

yes its possible, as for looks, couldnt tell ya. I would imagine if you can find milk X corn pics that will probably be a good guess. The ghost factor will mean nothing in the first generation, the babies will be all normal--whatever that is. But they will be het for anery and hypo and then bred back to each other you will get very interesting normals, anerys, hypos and ghosts. Now, the fact that black milks are born colored and turn black and how that translates into a hybrid, I dont know, I'd love to see that. Heck I'd take one off your hands even!
FOr the experts here, what is a milk X corn cross called? Any other ideas?

Sarah
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FireDrake Exotics
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Hmmm......what are the called....thats a good question!! I know honduran/corns are corndurans......but honestly....call them whatever you want lol. There is no set rule to naming hybrids.

I got some pic of the black milk (male),and the ghost corn(female),that I plan to cross breed. If you wanna see em, let me know and I'll email em to you. By the way, when they are in hibernation mode, do I need to separated the 2 of them, or can they stay together like they are now? Beats me, this is my first time trying to breed snakes. LOL They've been living together and they are totally cool with that. Strange...but true!!! Well, let me know of anything, hopefully the pics help out to getting an idea of what the offsprings would look like.

There have been succesfull crossbreedings between Cornsnakes and Honduran Milksnakes, in fact I believe I have seen some really nice pictures of these posted somewhere on this forum. Since the Black Milksnake is closely related to the Honduran Milksnake, it therefore should be possible to crossbreed it with the Cornsnake as well. These hybrids will almost certainly look like a 'cornduran', maybe a little bit darker. Cornsnake x Milksnake hybrids are often very beautiful. However, most do not feed very well, and breeding them to a second generation and up only rarely succeeds due to genetic incompatibility problems. Since these genetic incompatibilities tend to accumulate, chances are that eventually you will end up with dead end snakes. Hybrids are getting more and more common these days, so why bother anyway? Why not get another Black Milksnake and breed the real thing?

Greetings,

Herman Bronsgeest.

Not that I am doubting you, but I know that I have seen pics from bluerosy of anery corndurans, Im thinking they have to be f3s??? Or maybe f2's? Please, if you could let us know if you have experienced any of these problems described, let us know.
Thanks
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FireDrake Exotics
www.FireAndLilac.com

...if it was true, no one would care if snakes were hybridized, because they'd all be poor feeders and poor breeders and wouldn't have much chance of affecting the gene pool.

Herman, I was wondering what Milk X Corn hybrids you've worked with and had this experience.I have some myself and have never experienced a problem with them eating.In fact the were all great eaters and as far as them having genetic incompatibility problems,well I've never experienced that either.I would love to know which Milk x Corn hybrids had this problem.
Thanks!

I used to keep F1 Guttata x Campbelli and Guttata x Sinaloae hybrids. I tried to breed them together and I also tried to breed them with both ancestral species. It never worked out. Compared to normal nonhybrid colubrids, I found them to feed and grow relatively poor. I also had some experience in keeping Guttata x Spiloides hybrids, these animals were way much better feeders and breeders. According to some of the literature I've read, Guttata x Obsoleta hybrids can be maintained and bred up to the F5 generation without too much reproductive problems. Beyond F5, it just goes downhill. So if closely related ratsnakes cannot be interbred beyond F5 without genetic incompatibility related problems, then what should the long term perspective be for an intergeneric hybrid? I know that there are many people out there who are quite succesful in breeding these hybrids. But there are also many people out there who just don't get their hybrids to breed, no matter what they try. I have 23 years experience in breeding colubrid snakes, but I moved away from hybrids because of the reproductive failure problems I experienced with them. I've heard exactly the same story from many other people, so it's not just me.

Of course, commercial hybrid breeders would like you to believe that their hybrids breed like any other normal colubrid snake, no exeptions to the rule. Try to get a garantee on this, however, and the story suddenly gets a lot more sophisticated.

Greetings,

Herman Bronsgeest.

I am surprised that there is not more info available regarding long-term breeding of hybrids, down the generations. I know that jungle corns have been around for a number of years, long enough to be well into multiple generations. What has happened to all the jungle corns produced in the 80's? (I remember those, though I don't know how new the cross was at the time.) Should we not at least have some F5s around, even taking into account that many of the early hybrids may have been primarily pets or the buyers lost interest in breeding them. Can anyone site any references (published prefessional references, not just a breeder promoting their line) for hybrid breeding beyond F2?

charlene

I'm going to breed a male black milk with a desert calking. we'll se what will happen!
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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.30m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(5,80m)
1.1 Chondropython viridis (aru)
1.0 Chondropython viridis (lereh)
0.1 Chondropython viridis (sorong)
1.2 Lampropeltis californiae desert
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
2.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavender
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
2.2 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae
2.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis albino
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het hypo
1.1 Heterodon nasicus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata lavender
0.1 Elaphe guttata snow het opal
1.0 Elaphe guttata bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata hypo bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino striped
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata snow bubblegum striped
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe o. obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe o. obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Elaphe o. obsoleta white side
1.2 Jungle corn albino
0.1 Jungle corn snow
1.0 Jungle corn albino striped

Very possible.... is the male the black milk and the female the corn or the other way around? the male is one of the important elements when try to breed two different species. if the male is the milk you'll need a female milk to "trick" (stimulate) him. if the male is a corn you'll need a female corn to "trick" him. the male needs to smell is species inorder to trigger his breeding impulses.
Hope this helps you.
~ZF