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hi every one. i want to learn as much as i can about ball python genetics. can any one give me a good web page about them, or a crash course on it. ill explain geckos leopard gecko genetics(im compairing them with BP cause of all the diff morphs, and leopards are what i kno best). so if i take a patternless het with another patt het. all the babies will be patt. same with albino hets. then if i take a patt leopard gecko, and cross it with an albino leo, then all the babies will be normal. but if i take those normal babies and breed them togeather, all those babies will be patternless, albinos, normals, and patternless albinos(patternless with albino eyes). thats how you would combian morphs, and make morphs. how close is that to ball pythons? sorry for it being so long. plase someone explain as much ball pythong genetics you can.
thanx
nevin
thanx again
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos (rip sunshine)
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, narvana, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
0.1.0 kenyan sand boa-stimpy R.I.P.
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. uromastyx-chubby
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

Nevin, you are on the right track. Once you have at least an elementary understanding of genetics that understanding can be applied for all species.

Here is a link to an onliine genetics wizard to help you figure out the odds of producing specific morphs and combinations: Genetics Wizard

N.E.R.D. has some great pics on their site along with a simple explanation of each.
N.E.R.D.s Site

Ralph Davis has a section of his site called "The Matrix". Here he answers all types of questions regarding ball pythons from breeding to genetics.
Ralph Davis's Matrix

Ralph also has a section that divides up the morphs into proven and unproven traits and gives a fairly in depth explanation of each along with origins and genotype of each.
Ralph's List of Proven and Unproven Traits

Greg Graziani has some of the best pics online of many of the various morphs and combos possible.
Greg Graziani's Morph Pics

After you are done checking out all of these links you should have a fairly decent understanding of the genetics behind most of the morphs available.
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Sometimes, things are exactly as they appear...sometimes.

Sorry about the links. Just copy and paste them into your search bar and you should be fine.
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Sometimes, things are exactly as they appear...sometimes.

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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. mali uromastyx-chubby
1. sudanese uromastyx-anumbis
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

>if i take a patternless het with another patt het. all the babies will be patt. same with albino hets.

I'm not up on leopard gecko genetics, but this does not compute. If albino is recessive to the normal allele, then crossing two heterozygous albinos would produce 3/4 normal-looking and 1/4 albino. Same with patternless.

Once you get a handle on basic genetics, changing species is little more than changing the list of mutant genes you work with. But first you need to understand basic genetics. Do you understand the difference between dominant, codominant (AKA incomplete dominant), and recessive mutant genes? How about F1 and F2 generations and the definitions of homozygous and heterozygous? Can you do a Punnett square for a dihybrid cross?

Paul Hollander

Now Paul, I thought I had a clear understanding of all that, and now you are throwing me curve balls on the idea that normal is no longer considered dominant or recessive! Good thing I am going back to college next month, maybe that will help get me back up to speed...
Katrina

i know what your talkn about, but this is where leos are a lil more complex, thats why i didnt get into ratios. the thing is, we still havent found the true albino leo. theres 3 strains of albinos, tremper, vages, and bell. all three still have the T gene, not the T-.

i know every thing you had said, eccept for the F1, F2, F3 and so on. iv seen it multipul times, but ever knew what it ment. so if you could explain that to me, then id be set with everything you were speaking about.
thanx
nevin
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.1. green tree python-bates
.1 jungle carpet python-echo
1.1 brazilian rainbow baos-peace&chaos
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
1.2 leopard geckos-killer, sallean,
1. blizzerd lizzard-grim
.1 bell leopard gecko-ecstacy
.1 tremper leopard gecko-euphoria
.2. amazon tree boas-sweetness&carnage
1.2 bearded dragon-blaze&isis
1. mali uromastyx-chubby
1. sudanese uromastyx-anumbis
2 green Dendrobates auratus-zoate, stricnine
.1 terquise Dendrobates auratus-acid
.1 blue Dendrobates auratus-toxic
.2. phyllobates terribilis-cyanide, arsenic
.1. pacman frog- MR belly
.1 columbian redtail-trinity
2.0 brothers
0.2 sisters
3 cats-fat max, spiderman, &toby
1 miniture mutt-brutis

all ive got is insane

"dont be afraid to die, only be afraid to not live"

"dont become classified. if you are nothing, then you can be anything."

My understanding of F1 F2, etc is this (correct if I am wrong, Paul )
Take your original parents, breed them together, the offspring is F1 generation. Cross the offspring (F1) together, that is F2 generation. Cross the F2s and that gets ya F3...
Unless I remember wrong, the F1 F2 et al are used in linebreeding notations.
Katrina

That's right. And the original parents are known as the p generation.

Thanks Survey. I was wondering if you were going to join in

Yeah..finals week has me a little frazzled.

Very good on the F1 and F2 question. An F3 generation in a monohybrid cross would be equivalent to the F1, F2, or a backcross of F1 to a parent, depending on the individuals' genotypes.

And the animals starting the project are the P (for parental) generation.

This is off subject, but have any of the three strains of albino leopard geckos been tested for tyrosinase activity? If not, then nobody can say whether they are all T-positive (these forums don't want to do a plus character).

Paul Hollander