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The Aggressor...

Eric East Dec 17, 2004 04:15 PM

Anchors Dan Rather and Peter Jennings, NPR Reporter Cokie Roberts,
along with a U.S. Marine assigned to protect them were hiking
through the Iraq desert one day when they were captured by Iraqis.
They were tied up, led to a village, and brought before the
leader. The leader said, "I am familiar with your western custom of
granting the condemned a last wish; so, before we kill and dismember
you,do you have any last requests?"

Dan Rather said, "Well, I'm a Texan; so I'd like one last bowlful
of hot, spicy chili."
The leader nodded to an underling who left and returned
with the chili. Rather ate it all and said, "Now I can die
content."

Peter Jennings said, "I am Canadian, so I'd like to hear
the song 'O Canada' one last time."

The leader nodded to a terrorist who had studied the Western
world and knew the music. He returned with some rag-tag
musicians and played the anthem. Jennings sighed and
declared he could now die peacefully.

Cokie Roberts said, "I'm a reporter to the end. I want to
take out my tape recorder and describe the scene here and what's about
to happen. Maybe someday someone will hear it and know that I was on
the job till the end."

The leader directed an aide to hand over the tape recorder
and Roberts dictated some comments. She then said, "Now I can die
happy."

The leader turned and said, "And now, Mr. U.S. Marine, what is your final
wish?"

"Kick me in the butt," said the Marine.

"What?" asked the leader. "Will you mock us in your last hour?"

"No, I'm not kidding. I want you to kick me in the butt," insisted the
Marine.

So the leader shoved him into the open, and kicked
him in the butt.

The Marine went sprawling, but rolled to his knees, pulled
a 9mm pistol from inside his cammies, and shot the leader dead.
In the resulting confusion, he leapt to his knapsack,
pulled out his M4 carbine, and sprayed the Iraqis with gunfire. In a flash,
all the Iraqis were either dead or fleeing for their lives.

As the Marine was untying Rather, Jennings, and Roberts, they
asked him, "Why didn't you just shoot them? Why did you ask them to
kick you in the butt?"

"What," replied the Marine, "and have you three jerks
call me the aggressor?"

Replies (13)

Thane Dec 17, 2004 04:47 PM

Sounds like he knew how important it was to be hogtied by cuu-u-u-ltural sensiti-i-i-i-ivity and political correctness even when your faced with getting killed. We're handcuffing and hogtying our police with these issues, why not do the same with the military men and women who're willing to die for the freedoms we're giving up bit by bit ANYWAYS ?
Thanes Place

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Thane

rearfang Dec 18, 2004 08:47 AM

I would have to say that story is a bit slanted...No actually I don't. Try over the edge slanted..Yeah, that works...

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

rearfang Dec 18, 2004 08:58 AM

A marine, one of a group visiting a mosque that was taken the day before sees several unarmed wounded Iraqis lying on blankets inside where they had been left by other US troops.

Yelling "The F------R is still alive he fires several rounds into one of them that is lying completely exposed.

A reporter sees this and films this. He turns in his film which is aired and he is slammed and condemned by right wingers all over the USA.

(Wait a minute...That actually happened!)

Funny how true stories aren't as slanted as 'fiction'.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

rodmalm Dec 19, 2004 11:15 PM

Actually Frank, that story was totally slanted by the media and many on the right did not condemn him, but consider him a hero--as I do.

Just because they tell only one side of it, and that what they say happens to be true, doesn't mean that by eliminating the other side (which is also true) makes the story un-slanted.

For instance, did the media report that the marine that carried this out was shot in the face just the day before? Did the media point out that numerous marines have been killed by our enemy feigning death, and that people he served with, and knew, had been killed by this method the previous week? (yes, we found this out about a week later, after all the hoopla died down, but it wasn't emphasized like it should have been in in original story. And how did Arab television get the clip before NBC affiliates did, when NBC filmed it!)

If eliminating all these very pertinent facts isn't slanting a story, I don't know what is.

I guess someone that uses trickery is always innocent in the eyes of the media. (unless it was the U.S. using trickery, then we would be condemned for it!) The media will exonerate them by saying they were fighting the best way they could, against superior forces. If we do it, it's a crime. If we fight those that do it, it is also a crime.

It's like the cop that shoots someone. The media will yell and scream at the top of their lungs for weeks, but when we find out the whole story, that the person they shot was a murderer and he was trying to kill the police officer that shot him, the story is quickly dropped and rarely does the media condemn themselves for radically slanting their original story.

Here's a good on for you.

Iraq photos that are too sensational for even the liberal media to show.

pushback.com/ShockingpicsfromIraq1.jpg

pushback.com/ShockingpicsfromIraq4.jpg

www.kgoam810.com/viewentry.asp?ID=320113&PT=PERSONALITIES

The far left really is amazing. The spend all their time condemning good men that are doing a very difficult job (like police, marines, etc.) and trying to understand and forgive bad people (murderers, molesters, etc.). Suddenly, good becomes bad and bad becomes "it wasn't his fault".--goes back to core values again.

They will show humiliation of Iraqi's in prisons, but they won't show people jumping out of buildings, beheadings, etc. Basically, anything that might make the U.S. look bad is game, but anything that makes the enemy look bad is out of bounds. (again, yes, it is covered, but it is sanitized and de-emphasized beyond all recognition)

Rodney

rearfang Dec 20, 2004 07:24 AM

EXCUSE ME...? Since when is an event that was filmed as it happened Slanted?

I am assuming you are lauding the reporter...Good for you there.

But the part about the Marine being shot in the face the day before? If the wound was serious at all, he would still be in hospital. They don't release soldiers with a serious face wound the next day.

So that means if he got anything it was a scratch (or minor graze). To real vets this would be considered nothing worth getting excited about. If that was his motivation...What a Wimp!

As to slanted....The wounded Iraqi was clearly uncovered when he was shot. If he had a bomb or grenade on him the bullets impact could have set it off....Dumb!!!!

Further justification was lost when the Marine did not shoot the man next to the one killed-who witnesses said was under a blanket and moving suspiciously. This could also be clearly seen on the film.

So get off the soapbox Rodney. The facts are on film and no crys of foul can change what was obviously a spite killing by the marine (even by your opinion).

Again I bring to mind the movie RED SUMMER. In it an American Partisan (the US in the movie had been invaded by Russia)lies dying. She places a grenade under her body which kills the Russian who finds her (dead)as he checks her to see if she's alive. In a recent Bruce Willis movie TEARS OF THE SUN a similar event occurs. Our liberal media who creates these films depicted both acts as heroic.

Historicly we have looked at men as heroes who have sacrificed themselves (through trickery) to take the enemy with them.

Yet if the enemy does the same thing....well their just nasty!

Talk about Hypocrasy!

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

rearfang Dec 20, 2004 07:31 AM

Oh...and since the reporter turned the film in at his headquarters that the Arab media got it first would be the fault of the agency the reporter submitted his film to....not the reporter and has nothing at all to do with the validity of this film.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

rearfang Dec 20, 2004 07:34 AM

As to what the Iraqis show...that is their culture and (as pointed out above) we are just as likely to show our side as heroes even when they do what we condemn others for.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

rodmalm Dec 21, 2004 10:02 PM

EXCUSE ME...? Since when is an event that was filmed as it happened Slanted?

Ever heard of Michael Moore? He would take film of someone that was injured in Iraq talking about how great today's drugs are to alleviate the pain, and twist it so it made it look like the injured person hated Bush and didn't support the war in Iraq, when the exact opposite was true. Was the film of this marine slanted?-- No. Was the story that Moore made up afterward that has since been proven to be the exact opposite of reality slanted? Yep. And not only slanted, but totally false!

In this particular case, the film itself wasn't slanted, the reporting of it was--big difference. And films can easily be slanted. They are all the time. For instance, someone comes up and hits you, you defend yourself by hitting them back. If someone only showed your response to being hit (and not the initial attack), it would look like you were the aggressor. We have seen this time and time again by those claiming police brutality and such. A big hoopla is made about the initial film and the public is outraged, then later, the entire film or event is seen and a totally different opinion of the event forms. If the press had shown dozens of terrorists faking injuries or death and then killing our marines by this tactic, and then shown the clip in question, you would come away with a totally different view of those events. (and we all know how popular suicide bombings are in their culture) What kind of reporter doesn't ask the marine, "Why did you shoot him?", or "Did you think you or other marines were in danger?". What kind of reporter doesn't show the responses to these questions in the report of the event?

I am assuming you are lauding the reporter...Good for you there.

Nope, but I have nothing against him either--except for the fact that the clip made it onto
Arab TV before it made it here.--very suspicious considering who that reporter worked for! It is the media that convicted this soldier for doing his duty, when he knew that the person he was shooting was not only an enemy, but that the enemy used this tactic to kill our marines.---On a side note, wouldn't that have been a great media clip! The guy gets up, aims a gun at the reporter, and the marines say, sorry, "We can't shoot him until he shoots first!"----Or maybe a clip of the reporter screaming, "Shoot him, he's faking it!"

But the part about the Marine being shot in the face the day before? If the wound was serious at all, he would still be in hospital. They don't release soldiers with a serious face wound the next day.

This goes to show his state of mind, nothing else. He had friends killed the prior week by terrorists faking death, and he was injured. Any reasonable person in that state of mind would have shot the enemy regardless of whether he had been injured the previous day or not, and the fact that he was, gives him even more leeway in my opinion. And remember, this is a war. These are not police on the street in a nation under peace, this is soldiers fighting soldiers---we shold not equate the two like the liberal media is trying to do.

As to slanted....The wounded Iraqi was clearly uncovered when he was shot. If he had a bomb or grenade on him the bullets impact could have set it off....Dumb!!!!

That's not what I saw. I saw a group of marines in a room where a still man started moving just slightly, and a marine considering this a serious risk. As for the bullet causing a bomb to go off, possibly. But if he had one, he could have done a lot more damage by setting it off at the right time (when approached), and shooting him prevented this.

Further justification was lost when the Marine did not shoot the man next to the one killed-who witnesses said was under a blanket and moving suspiciously. This could also be clearly seen on the film.

Must have missed that one! I never saw this, or heard of any witnesses--other than the marines and the reporter.

Again I bring to mind the movie RED SUMMER. In it an American Partisan (the US in the movie had been invaded by Russia)lies dying. She places a grenade under her body which kills the Russian who finds her (dead)as he checks her to see if she's alive. In a recent Bruce Willis movie TEARS OF THE SUN a similar event occurs. Our liberal media who creates these films depicted both acts as heroic.

Historicly we have looked at men as heroes who have sacrificed themselves (through trickery) to take the enemy with them.

I have no problem with that position! (except that those films aren't particularly liberal in nature) The problem is, when someone tries to stop this tactic (which we know the enemy is using) by shooting the enemy when he perceives a threat, he should not be condemned for it! If someone is attacking you or if you believe they are, you don't just let them because their actions are considered heroic!

Yet if the enemy does the same thing....well their just nasty!

Again, you are missing the point. This is a war. And if the enemy resorts to using the trickery of feigning death, then shooting ones that are feigning death shouldn't be considered a crime, but doing ones duty. If the enemy resorts to trickery, then trying to protect yourself and your fellow soldiers is not a crime in a time of war.

That is the Hypocrisy!

What did the marine say on the tape? Oh yeah. He said "He's f*****g faking it." He didn't say, "He's alive, shoot him."--if this doesn't clearly tell you what he was thinking, I don't know what will.

Rodney

rearfang Dec 22, 2004 07:11 AM

Moore? What has a contrived documentary have to do with unedited film of an actual event? Your logic falls before the reality of the film. no one had to slant it because it was all there to be seen as it happened.

Frankly when someone goes homicidal with a gun you don't tap him on the shoulder and suggest he commited a crime.

The scenarios your suggesting are pure fantasy land.

I had lazek...I suggest my friend that you do something to correct your vision as well...Like taking off those right wing blinders.

Saw it again on the film and also read it in the reporters sttement (which was clearly sympathetic to the marines so I doubt much slant there)

Finally again I point out the the Iraqi was lying there with no weapons and uncovered. The mere fact that he was alive did not justify the shooting. The marine had no other indication that the man might be any more of a threat than any of the other wounded men in the same room.

That goes beyond war and into murder.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

H+E Stoeckl Dec 19, 2004 11:53 AM

But the truth is the downright opposite:

The number # 1 military power of the world assaulted for no reason a small country of mule-drivers that has been weakened by two wars and more than 10 years of sanctions.

How does this story sound to you?

And this one is true...

rodmalm Dec 20, 2004 12:42 AM

Well, since you asked, "how does this story sound to you"

My answer is, "This story sounds totally false to me!"

We now know that the sanctions were not working due to unbelievably high levels of UN fraud, and we also know that those 10 years of UN resolutions were systematically violated by Iraq, and that Iraq was unjustifiably shooting at coalition planes on a daily basis.

Does this sound like an unjustified war on a peaceful nation?

Maybe if you are deaf!!

Rodney

rearfang Dec 20, 2004 07:28 AM

Lets see the Koreans have been more successful in shooting down planes and capturing US ships (the Pueblo). The USSR fired on our ships frequently (I know this because I was there). We did not go to war with either.

But then...Neither place had the stigma of having been a previous president's incomplete job that his son had an itch to go after.

Frank
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"The luxury of not getting involved departed with the last lifeboat Skipper..."

undfun Dec 20, 2004 10:43 PM

Rodney. You seem to be all over the map. You make assertions then switch the subject when your cornered. Thats the style of someone who is either ignorant or running scared. You respond to posts here in a shotgun fashion as if you need to hide behind a flurry of assertions. Can you just talk about a single thing at a time? I know its scary, but it might provide you with a bit more credibility than the radio talk show dweebs you ape here. As it is your thinking seems to be terribly superficial.

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