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I purchased a pair of Ringer Ball Pythons about 2 years ago, I have tried to keep up with the Ball Python Morph scene, and have e-mailed some pro breeders about Ringers. I have heard everything from "They are genetic" to "They are a fluke"
I was wondering if anyone has heard of anything new about the ringer ball python? Is anybody working with them? I don't see many of them for sale anymore, Nobody seems to know what they are or what they may produce? Or if they would produce anything? Any imput would be great. Thanks

As hatchlings they had Bright orange wash just like a piebald baby does, they are so simular could they be piebalds? If you can have a 90% white piebald then can't you also have .5-1% white piebald????? Or has someone already proved that they are not?

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Ringers can be beautiful bps and it seems like everyone has one in their collection..(except me).....and to the best of my knowledge...they are not reliably genetic.......meaning..breeders have produced ringers from ringer breedings, but have also produced ringers out of the blue. Examples.....RDR produced ringers last year from an exceptional "ringer" male bred to a ringer female.....this year, he hatched out a ringer that is also a het pied......but he hatched out a ringer from a lesser breeding as well this year.

I don't think anyone has nailed down exactly what is going on with the ringers........Best of luck with yours!

I have bred them and it seems Co Dom. I have also hatched them out of the blue. Kev @NERD
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If the ringers where co-dom, then are they the homozygous state, or the Heterozygous state, like the tigers are hets for Super tigers,
If Ringers are the hets I wonder what the homozygous state would look like? A piebald??
It seems like everybody has at least one in their collection, but not many people are further persuing the ringer project. I will hold on to mine and see what happens, it would be interesting to see what new things if any are found with ringers.

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"Life is a Safari"

Plain and simple..... if your ringer isn't already a het for pied, it aint gonna produce a pied! Enough wishful thinking.

But are het pieds any more likely to be ringers than non het pieds? Maybe NERD was working with an unexpected extreme het pied and tended to see the ringer effect in it's het pied offspring. Seems like there are plenty of random ringers too but maybe association with the pied gene could explain the one report of them being genetic.

Hmmm..... maybe. All possible. Actually, I have a female het pied that just happens to be a ringer as well, but her brother is completely normal looking. I'm not gonna read anything into that though; to me, it's just not a reliable enough of an indicator to tell me if a snake is het pied or not.

Eric

is usually un "normal"....it changes the color and pattern drastically....the "pattern" isnt so much a pattern as a blend of colors....with ringers there is still normal pattern.

just what ive noticed
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