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They are the FIRST albino tricolors to my knowledge.

This is my male albino Ruthveni (Queretaro King). He is an '03 and will be bred for the first time in '06. Can't wait to see him full grown and to see his offspring. Still one of the nicest looking kingsnakes.

-John Lassiter-

Yep they are pretty. I guess with their notoriety for being poor breeders (especially amel X amel) and all the fuss over the crosses and hybrids it made more sense to some people to do that. Even rarer are ones like mine, pure normals.
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I hear of problems with amel X amel breeding. Low fertility being the main problem. That is why I have this het albino female.

Why do I see adult amel Ruthveni that look different? Some stay white (where the melanism is absent) and in others the white turns yellow with age. Is this just a variation or are their two types of amelanistic Ruthveni?

-John Lassiter-

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>> Some stay white (where the melanism is absent) and in others the white turns yellow with age. Is this just a variation or are their two types of amelanistic Ruthveni?

well, both are probably true, to a degree. the same "some-turn-yellow-with-age, some-don't" is seen in hondurans and nelsoni, maybe others. I don't know whether anyone's worked with one type or the other enough to establish whether it's a simple recessive or the result of many different genes interacting. I'd imagine the latter, since it occurs in varying degrees, just as there's a full range from no tipping to the condition in which there's so much tipping the mid-triad rings are obscured compeletely by black, in hondos. A natural condition in the wild.

terry

You know what Terry, I believe you are correct. (again)
Thanks,
-John Lassiter-

Right? When was the last time someone posted a pic of a normal ruthveni? Normals seem to be much less common than albinos.

Greg

Yeah and what ever happened to these. Still one of my favorites. It seems this forum has been overwhelmed with common kings. Mexican complex animals should not have been forgotten. I am definitely glad to see that Thayeri are starting to make a comback or, at least in our little part of the herp world.
-John Lassiter-

Here is my splitband Mex mex male:

I do really enjoy both my mex mex's. They are San Luis Potosi and are a great addition to my collection. They are quite secretive, except for my 1 female in out quite often.
Happy Herping,
Uncloudy

Pic of the female.

Nice Mex mex. And all Mex mex are from San Luis Potosi, Mexico. Some in the southern region of the state have a "milksnake" look to them due to the Ruthveni (Queretaro) influence.
So, could there possibly be an albino Mex mex out there somewhere in the wild. And would breeding an albino Ruthveni to a Mex mex by hybridizing or a possible natural intergrade??
Here is the female that is breeding the above male this Spring. I hope to get some dark splitbanded Mex mex.
-John Lassiter-

Here is a little splitband female I got from Crimsonking. She will have to wait a few years to breed, and I don't know if I have the patience. LOL!!!

-John Lassiter-

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And here is the female that will go in '06.
-John Lassiter-

I like the nuchal stripe and bowties and splitbands. She has it all. Unlike the classic look. Although very stunning in their own right.

>>So, could there possibly be an albino Mex mex out there somewhere in the wild. And would breeding an albino Ruthveni to a Mex mex by hybridizing or a possible natural intergrade??
>>Here is the female that is breeding the above male this Spring. I hope to get some dark splitbanded Mex mex.
>>-John Lassiter-
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John, that's a beautiful snake. I like the full blotches with the thick black borders.

I think crossing a ruthveni and a mex mex would be creating a hybrid. They are mostly considered two separate species these days, right? I'll bet it's been done before though.

I think the mexicana complex is pretty interesting, as well as common kings (I like certain Cal Kings). Once I get to AZ, I think I'm going to start keeping a couple gray-bands, along with a few other kings. There's just too many snakes and it's hard to decide. There's a lot of factors to be taken into consideration.

Later....TC

Yeah, you are probably right about the hybrid thing and I know it has been done, recently too.
Happy herpin holidays
-John Lassiter-

Nice gray-band, John. Is the dark one a hybrid or another gray-band?

TC

Both Greybands. I have no hybrids at this time. This is a pair. The dark one is a female and the light one is a male. These guys are huge also. Picked them up from a friend. They have never been bred and are close to 8 years old. I have another female that is dark, but not as dark as this one.
-John Lassiter-

Crimsonking:

I have been looking for some "normal" (non-albino, non-het) ruthveni, but can't seem to locate any. I'd appreciate any leads! Feel free to contact me via email, if you prefer. Thanks!

Bob
rwh13@csufresno.edu

Great looking snake. From what I understand very nervous snakes big hiders?
Fleck

Yes Fleck,
They are very secretive snakes, but I would not hold that against them. Hondurans are spastic as he** (I know I got some) and they are the booming business right now.
-John Lassiter-

Yes hondos are spastic which is why I myself never looked into them . However I have eyed the albino Ruthvens because its calmer and great looking to but had a feeling a big hider more so than most milks and wanted to inquire.
Thanks.
Fleck

I do not think they are any worse than any other kingsnake when it comes to being secretive.
My Ruthveni and other kings come out mostly at dark. Imagine that?!?! That is when they hunt in the wild.
-John Lassiter-

Hi!

Yes,

you are right about it. Very beautifull animals, but unfortunatelly not so popular.

I have a pleasure to work with some nice ruthvenis (normal and albinos).

Best regards
Lukasz
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