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So, my friend Mark Miller has this female that is very low-contrast and "pastel-like" and she comes from unknown stock.
He breeds her biennelly to a very ugly (I know, they're all beautiful, but really...) male, and all of the offspring come out looking like "mom."
I recently acquired a 2003 pair of these animals as well as a 2001 female 9on breeding loan), and I intend to do some breeding trials to determine if they are a separate, or somewhat removed (lost) line of pastels.
I know of a big breeder, okay, it's Jeremy Stone, who bought some of these, and they look great! Better than my examples.
Anybody have any thoughts on what sorts of breeding trials I should undergo to determine the possible heritability of this trait. Breeding the original female to a second, unrelated male is underway, and an f1 breeding should happen in late '06 at the latest.
'03 female pics


'01 Female Pics



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Jeremy J. Anderson
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Is this guy?Plus I have a sibling brother that is alot more pinker than him with the same high pink medallions an red saddles!Not saying that your boa isnt a pastel but doesnt he have quite a bit of black pigment to be referred to as a pastel?These are just questions not accusation's,I am just trying to learn!Thanks Eric[Hypoboa]

I didn't say it WAS a pastel, I said it might be, or it might be similar to a pastel.

You're forgetting, perhaps, that the pastels have been line bred for over a decade. Of course they look better.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
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I wasn't saying you were claiming them as pastels!!!!I was asking you a question about all the black pigment!My understanding was that a pastel had reduced black pigment!So I was looking at a true pastel as having hardley any black speckling at all!But Randy answered my question below,I guess some lower end animals do have speckling!Sorry,I wasnt flaming you!As Usuall,I Am Missunderstood,LOL!aN i ASSUME YOUR ANIMALS WILL COLOR UP EVEN MORE WHEN THEY GET OLDER!Oops Sry for the caps!I am trying to prove my line out too!Like I said in my post I have a brother to the pastelish male I posted who looks even better than that!Sry,I wish I had better cammera skills because that pic stinks of him!Big Time!Good luck with your animals though!Thanks Eric[Hypoboa]Matter of fact my male is so pink when he is in shed he looks like a very clean salmon boa except for the black arond his tail saddles!

It's all cool bro, I was just being thorough in my explaination.
No ill feelings at all.
I hope they turn out to be something exciting to work with for the next decade or so.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
snakepimp.com
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Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
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JUST PLAIN NORMAL WILD TYPES I DONT SEE ANY PASTEL INFLUENCE IN THEM MAYBE ITS JUST YOUR PICS IDONT KNOW NO OFFENCE AND ERIC THAT ANIMAL YOU POSTED DOES LOOKLIKE IT DOES HAVE SOME PASTEL INFLUENCE GOOD LUCK PROVING THAT OUT

Well, this is the thing...
They were produced by breeding a butt ugly male with small separated saddles, dull grey background color and a dark brown tail to a female with faded saddles, somewhat saturated color and "circle back" pattern.
All of the offspring come out looking like Mom.

Look again at the second animal, the one with the low-contrast pattern.

From my understanding, the original pastels did not look anything like the beauties we are seeing now. In fact, many of the pastels I saw 2 years ago were pretty similar to the animals I posted. My camera sucks. Boas are hard to photograph any way.
that leads, like every road this forum has, it seems, to skepticism.
I din't say that these were pastels, I just think that they might have potential. It is definitely genetic, in some way.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
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Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
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Not a great one, but not bad.
Produced by Will Slough, from Ronne Line animals, bought by me from Jeremy Stone.

Here's the same pic previously posted of my similarly aged animal from Mark Miller, Caldwell ID

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Jeremy J. Anderson
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Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
Are they using the beef to control your mind? That stuff in your cigarettes, your beer and the wine Is working its way, infiltrating your spine, Today is the day you should wake up and find That they’re using the beef to control your mind. --(excerpt from a musical I wrote...)

People seem not to remember what a pastel is by definition..

Here is an example of a lower grade Pastel Dream 66% poss het albino strait from Jeff Ronne..

If you look at his side medallions they are nice and clean, and over all for being high speckled along the top portion of his body he is a pretty clean animal.. The one pictured by Snakepimp resembles this male to a degree, so I disagree with your arguement that his animal is not pastel..
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Randall L Turner Jr.
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That is kind of ostentatious, don't you think?
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Jeremy J. Anderson
snakepimp.com
gemstatereptiles.com
Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
Are they using the beef to control your mind? That stuff in your cigarettes, your beer and the wine Is working its way, infiltrating your spine, Today is the day you should wake up and find That they’re using the beef to control your mind. --(excerpt from a musical I wrote...)

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

And they look as Pastel as any Pastel I've seen. I like that you are continuing breeding trials with Mark before making any announcments. Some folks don't even want to hear..."these might be...or I hope these are..." It's like they don't even read the part about "further breeding trails." Blood in the water.

Good luck, I hope it turns out in your favor.
Chris O

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Very nice!I have a early 2003 female that came from the st,luise show,that a buddy picked up for me because I couldnt make it!But she has the same background color between her saddles an very very pink sides just like yours does!Awsome boa!Thanks for posting her Chris!Eric[Hypoboa]

Hey Jeremy, Just a follow up. I was able to pick 4 of the best females from that litter. I saw a picture of the Mother from Mark Miller, and I LOVED the Golden Color. The babies were ALL very nice considering the Dad wasn't that nice. I picked up 4 Females. They have turned out VERY nice, and I think This one I am posting is going to turn that same Golden Color. Weather or Not they are Pastels is all just Semantics in my opinion. I think these two I'm posting are pastels.

Recently I have been Picking up some GREAT looking Boas to Work with to make some nice boas in the future. I was very impressed by Some of the Ronnie Pastels, and I have picked up a few of those. I have some Double Dose or Pastel To Pastel from the Ronnie line, and they are very golden and pretty but they do have a lot of black. I have seen some OUTSTANDING pastels from the Ronnie Line. He has done an excellent Job of Selective breeding for desired Traits. The only thing Confusing with that line is that I have seen many that people call pastels from that line, that I think look just like many normals. I think the Word is used VERY Liberally. ANYWAY, IF I find a Killer Boa that has some awesome color, I'll snag it. I hit the JACKPOT in Daytona this year, and My ONLY regret is that I didn't buy ALL the babies. They are some of the Best PASTELS I have seen.

ANyway, HERE IS a PICK of My Best MILLER "Pastel". Take Care, Jeremy Stone

Here is another Sibling. This is my Second Favorite!!!

Jeremy, thanks for clarifying that the pastels I purchased (am puchasing...lol) are NOT from Will Slough, but rather from Ronne-->Gary Mirone-->You-->SLC area local---->back to you--->me.

Anyway, I think their great, and those animals you got from Mark are really nice.

The new Columbians you got are just stupefyingly cool.

Happy Holidays, all.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
snakepimp.com
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Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
Are they using the beef to control your mind? That stuff in your cigarettes, your beer and the wine Is working its way, infiltrating your spine, Today is the day you should wake up and find That they’re using the beef to control your mind. --(excerpt from a musical I wrote...)

Wow! That has an awesome tail! I have a question...it seems that the tails on pastels always have that strong white to yellow border around the saddles. Is this something you have seen also or does it not appear that way to you. Thanks Andy

That is an awesome looking pastel! I agree the term is used very loosely and freely. I have two pastels myself right now, I do not know their bloodlines, but to me it really does not matter. I bought them for their high pink and peach color and the faded washed out sides, and the golden hypo like saddles. It is my belief that selective breeding creates stronger genetic abilities....so that is how these traits can be passed on even when bred to a so called ugly boa. If you breed high pink to high pink, you should get an even better high pink. I think that is how Jeff Ronne gets those red boas...Just my opinions though. Andy

I couldn't have said it better myself. Pastel?????? Just go for what you like!!!!! I'm sure that Brad Pitt and Jennifer Annistons kids are going to be Good looking. You might get one or two ugly ducklings, but I am sure that most of their kids will be good looking. Especially as adults.

On a second note, that is why I married my wife Kara. I think my kids are as cute as they come. I did marry my wife in HOPES that our kids would get HER looks and therefore I'd have an attractive family. My plan has worked so far with the 3 I have. THANKS KARA!!!!! LOL. SMILE!!!!!!!

I agree with your statements Andy. Go with what you think is Pretty. That is how we have soo many great Boas. Putting together 2 Boas you think would have great looking babies. That's the NAME of the game of SELECTIVE breeding. Take Care, Jeremy Stone

I was VERY lucky to find 2 of these from a Breeder. I wish ALL my Columbians looked like this. I LOVE them. I can't wait to breed these 2 girls to some of my other bloodlines. I prefer these to any of my Pastels in my collection now. Including my Pastel Dreams, Harlequins, and other pastels I have picked up. This is not to say these are BETTER then the others, but I am just very fond of this look. Of course I'm a Sucker for any Boa though. I love them ALL!!!!!

I will call This a PASTEL for Sure. Jeremy Stone

Of course this pic does her NO justice. I have her sister that looks JUST like her. They are getting better and better each week.

That one is my favorite so far...you always seem to spring these fantastic looking boas on us when we least expect it. That is awesome! Thanks Andy

THE BALL PYTHON BREEDERS! Now, there is nothing wrong with the Ball Python people, I am one of them. We have gone through a phase where every petstore Ball MUST be a Ghost, an Axanthic, a Pastel....It looks as though all the people who laughed at Ball keepers for calling every normal a morph, are now calling all these normal looking Boas morphs. Just an observation....but the Pastel Boa issue seems to be like the Jungle Ball issue, not gentic, line bred, might be genetic, is this one, is that one.....and before one of you sticks your foot in your mouth, I said JUNGLE BALL, not PASTEL BALL. Anyways, I have purchased a few new boas, to go with my Ball collection, and have one question.....are salmon pastels really nicer than salmons, or is it just some nice salmons, and some not so nice salmons, having nothing to do with Pastels, or the perceived Pastel "gene?"

For the most part I don't see pastel hypos looking much better if at all then most nice clean hypos.. But there are a few out there that knock the socks off just about any hypos I have ever seen. The pastel influence seems to add a nice high wash of reds to their base coloration (Which can be attributed to Ronne working toward high red pastels over the years) which you can never really go wrong having if you plan to inject albino into them down the road.. (pastel albinos are amazing looking animals, so I imagine a pastel sunglow could be the best to date with the albino trait)
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Randall L Turner Jr.
www.aircapitalconstrictors.com

No, every snake does not have to be a morph, but I have seen something unique in the adults from the "Miller Line" and I think they are going to be awesome, through selective breeding, in the future.

Here's my run of the mill Bci, Siggy. love this snake, and she is about to drop her first litter. (fingers crossed.)
only half of them will be morphs....

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Jeremy J. Anderson
snakepimp.com
gemstatereptiles.com
Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
Are they using the beef to control your mind? That stuff in your cigarettes, your beer and the wine Is working its way, infiltrating your spine, Today is the day you should wake up and find That they’re using the beef to control your mind. --(excerpt from a musical I wrote...)