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age of two years.
The first two pics were taken by Craig Tanner I think. This is one of my EBV x Ronne Lucy Pastel produced by Alex Barrio and Craig Tanner.
Enjoy!
I'll post pics of the other female later.

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John awesome capture of time on that one! That one seems to glow! Andy

I can see why you love them so much, John.
Those are HOT like tabasco, yowza.
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>>age of two years.
>>The first two pics were taken by Craig Tanner I think. This is one of my EBV x Ronne Lucy Pastel produced by Alex Barrio and Craig Tanner.
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girl!!!
The first pic was taken by Craig Tanner I think. This is the other EBV x Ronne Lucy Pastel produced by Alex Barrio and Craig Tanner. Sad to say....I can't do any new pics because I can't find my #*&%@%*(@!!!!!!! CAMERA!!!! (Can you tell I'm a little frustrated about that? LOL!)
Enjoy!
And yes.........I'm a sucker for pastels anyday of the week!!

Comparison shot.

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>>The first pic was taken by Craig Tanner I think. This is the other EBV x Ronne Lucy Pastel produced by Alex Barrio and Craig Tanner. Sad to say....I can't do any new pics because I can't find my #*&%@%*(@!!!!!!! CAMERA!!!! (Can you tell I'm a little frustrated about that? LOL!)
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these things are off the chain !
Here is one of the girls... I have a trio.

I really need you to come across the USA just to take really good pics for me

Thanks for sharing!! It's a beauty!!
John
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Hey Brother John, that's just my pathetic version of one
I really do need you to photograph them

Shows off the animal really well. I love those red side medallions!!! You got a good one that's for sure. I love it's coloring!!! I knew when I saw that litter I should have bought a couple more. Only if money grew on tree right? LOL!
Thanks again for sharing!
Take more pics when you can.
John
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Hope you like her !

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John, Those are very nice. I love the Orange on those snakes. With the "PASTEL" name being used sooo liberally, I would like to get your opinion on what makes those Pastel and What a Pastel is to you. (I'm not saying those aren't pastels), just trying to see if there is a Standard that applies. I could Only imagine those snakes you have if they were lacking Black. That would be the PERFECT BOA!!!!!!

Here is a pick of a Beauty I picked up in Daytona this year. This is my favorite look to the "PASTEL" name becuase of the lack of black and the shades of color that are just starting to come in. I have collected a Lot of "Pastels" in the past 4 years. Not because they are PASTELS, but becuase I am looking for certain looks to put into many of the Morphs I have been breeding. I think I should be breeding MOtleys, Jungles, Arabesques, to the BEST looking Columbians I can find to get even BETTER snakes out there.

Best of Luck with those EBV Pastels. They are VERY NICE!!!!

Jeremy Stone

Isn't that the definition of Hypomelanistic?

I remember reading a definition of Pastel from Jeff Ronne, but I can't find it now - and what I remember was something about a lack of black in the side medallions.. I actually like some black pigment in boas.. I still think the anery gene is not used enough.

Has anyone produced an anery jungle yet???

Patrick

Hey Patrick, I'm not saying that Pastels have to Lack Black. In fact most of my Ronnie Pastel Dreams have a TON of black in the tails, and they do resemble the Boas that John Lokken posted above from the EBV line. I even have double dose Pastel Dreams, and they have a TON of orange Color in them, and they are Pastel as can be, but they do have a Ton of black in the tail and the saddles. Harlequins are also a "Pastel" that have a lot of color but also a lot of black in them. I'll post a picture of a Harlequin here that I Feel is also PASTEL.

I am just tyring to see what others view as a Uniform code for PASTEL. It obviously isn't "LACKING BLACK" because a lot of Pastels have a TON of black. Just look at the Lokken Pastels above for that example. The color makes them Pastel.

I guess my point was to say I like Pastels that have that color and ALSO lack black like the ones I picked up in Florida.

Pastel is a term that is used to decribe MANY different Bloodlines, and many different Looks. I just feel it is a Liberal term and one that applys to many different snakes. IN FACT, with the Broad definition of PASTEL, it is almost hard to argue that EVERYONE doesn't have a pastel if they see something in their boa that resembles something from Pastels that have been NAMED pastels by Many breeders. I personally don't like this, but WHO CARES?? This is just a hobby and people are having fun. If you want to apply a NEW name to a snake, just be prepared to explain the way the genes are passed on. I think People are affraid to do this, so they just include the name PASTEL. So, it is a liberal Term. That was my point.

Take Care, Jeremy

The picture Posted is a HARLEQUIN which in my opinion is a type of "Pastel" that has some other characteristics as well.

The lack of black is in the SADDLES,
not the tongue or tail or anywhere else.
The saddles are a reddish brown which translates into red instead of the white that black turns into when albinism is introduced.It's not all the pink/red that this animal displays. Here is a pastel het produced here.
Hope this helps, Jeff

here is one of my salmon harlequins...
Look ONLY @ the lack of black in the saddles. Period.
Notice the reddish brown & TOTAL lack of black.
Don't even look @ the rest of the animal until the total lack of black in the saddles is obvious.See it ?
Only then let your eyes drift to the rest of the animal &
see if any color is revealed.

Notice that overall reduction of black.

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YOU GOT DAT RIGHT !
KILLER animal.
I love the whole litter...
that's my problem, I want to keep 'em all

I love the Lack of black too. That one is KILLER. HEre is a picture of my Favorite Ronnie Pastel that I have owned. Take Care, Jeremy

>>I love the Lack of black too. That one is KILLER. HEre is a picture of my Favorite Ronnie Pastel that I have owned. Take Care, Jeremy
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>>here is one of my salmon harlequins...
>>Look ONLY @ the lack of black in the saddles. Period.
>>Notice the reddish brown & TOTAL lack of black.
>>Don't even look @ the rest of the animal until the total lack of black in the saddles is obvious.See it ?
>>Only then let your eyes drift to the rest of the animal &
>>see if any color is revealed.
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That is one awesome Boa!
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JMHO, FWIW, YMMV.

Fits the definition of a pastel of having reduced black in the saddles. Can you see it ?
If not , I'll try to get better pics.
Is an incomplete dominate pattern morph Like a jungle or arabesque? Or perhaps a het for a pattern morph? I haven't proven it one way or another.
I know only that pastels have been traced so far back that even EBV red groups have originated from them. And even some boas that were sold at the shows in Florida. Good Night.

I remember talking to Jeff R. about that. I was blown away when I found that the EBV groups have the Pastel line in them. It is a small world.
John
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Jeff, I apologize if I jumped in here without reading all your posts, but I read what you said about the sides. I think that can be very confusing because you can see that In MANY boas that don't come from PASTELS. That is why I have such a weird VIBE when I hear the word PASTEL. Theoretically speaking, noone can be wrong when they are describing their BOAS if they say they see this in their snakes. That is why I appreciate the HARLEQUIN becasue it really does go beyond just a Generic description. IF there is a VERY Specific definition of PASTEL, please forgive me. I have read Mr. Ronnies, and I love the work he has done, but I get confused because he calls sooo many Boas Pastels that really don't look any different from many of his normals. However, I have also Seen some he labels PASTELS, and I have some in my collection where you can REALLY see something Special. I just get confused with the TERM PASTEL, and I think MANY people are. It gets used Liberally.

As you can see, many people are calling their HYPOS "PASTEL". I don't know how you can identify this in that trait too, without actaully breeding a KNOWN pastel to the Hypo. I have seen some hypos from those lines that Matuzak and others have worked on, and they are AMAZING. However, then you look at just other NORMAL hypos that people call Pastel, and they look very different, but I guess you could Liberally LUMP them in the same Category because they might have 1 or 2 traits that explain the way BOTH of them look. Confused???? I am!!! LOL.

Anyway, good chat!!!! Take Care, Jeremy

To me....Hypo and Pastel are two completely different things. And, in my opinion, should never be used together. The only way, in my mind, there can be a pastel hypo is when an ACTUAL pastel is bred with a hypo. Other than that....It's a no go.
John
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Please don't lump the Harlequins in with "pastels",(*grins*) "Pastel" is a generic term that now includes everything from B.c.c.,to everyday "normal" boas that have three whole pink scales clumped together!(some may come with special glasses to "see" them???)...at their best they are an awesome byproduct of the homogonization of many different bloodlines,(IMHO,and,I'm not "dissing" them,or,those that work with them! ) The reason Harlequin boas look & develope the way they do,is due to a genetic condition that affects their pigmentation & is also tied to pattern mutation...there AREN'T 6 different strains of them over here named after obscure people from my past,or,dead presidents,and,I don't buy other people's nice boas,and,decide to call them Harlequins,and,market them simply because they may share some similarities!...Did I mention I'm not "dissing" anyone? *lol* if there is confusion about what constitutes a "pastel",where they come from,or,their possible mysterious genetic powers...it's because their originator tossed them in the blender,so to speak,prior to investigating the nature of their possible genetic potential. I'm not saying the Harlequins are the "end all" morph,or,mutation,and,I don't need to boost my ego by saying my blah-blah-blah,is better than so-and-so's blah-blah-blah,I named them because I felt there was enough unique qualities,and,a clear genetic culprit to warrant distinction...there are some killer bloodlines out there that are producing new,and,even better looking animals...I just hate to see them lumped into someone elses ubiquitous para-phrase,when they have a clear,and,consistant source & a single isolated begining...I'm not saying I invented them geneticlly,I just saw some of the little "red flags" that denote "probable genetic anomoly" & put forth some devotion.there may be several lines that produce the same,or,similar colored,or,patterned individuals,it doesn't mean they're "Pastels",just like it doesn't mean Harlequins are Jungles,just because some look similar? (I'm smiling while I'm typing this btw...not meaning any offense,nor,taking any...I just had to *groan* at the comparison,*lol* *arrrggghhh*)these aren't "dreams" they're a "reality"...

Tim,

If you read my post I was talking about people making different names for their Boas. IF they do, be prepared to establish a Marker, and explain the way they work Genetically. I think you have done that with the Harlequin. Although I am not exactally sure I know what is clearly going on. (I know you do, but I still don't). AGAIN, NOT TO LUMP THEM INTO THE SAME CATEGORY, but however hard anyone trys to explain them different, I think they are ALSO PASTEL. I know they have different Traits, but when I look at a Harlequin, I think it ALSO embodies the Pastel traits that I LIKE. The Harlequin has other traits, but I also think it is Pastel. If I am wrong I totally apologize.

I also believe at one time you were calling them Pastel, or your brother was, but I can be totally wrong on that one. My point was to say again that I THINK they are PASTEL, but go beyond that because the HARLEQUIN has some Identifying Triats that clearly state what it is. The PASTEL DREAM and others really have me confused, because you can lump almost anything in that category with symantics.

Again, I am not trying to DISS the Harly. I LOVE THE HARLY, and I have 5 of them. I am just saying that I think the HARLY is Pastel and MORE THEN THAT TOO.....

Hope you and your family have a Great Holliday. Give me a call sometime. I miss our chats. Hope your breeding season goes well, and you can blow us away with even more selective breeding of the HARLYS. I'm adding a Harly spot to my new Site. Should be COOL. Later, Jeremy

Tim,

As I think about it, I can see how you can be frustrated by us lumping in the Harly with this. I know you don't think you are special because of the lines and the name you created that explain this trait, but Regardless of how humble you are, you have done some AWESOME WORK. You should be Proud of them, and I know you are. I aplogize for Lumping them in the PASTEL Category. Again, I just was explaining them as a Pastel boa too. I know they are Different, but just using them as an example of PASTEL traits I like.

Hope you didn't get offended. IT is Wed. Morning 8:30. LAST DAY at the office untill after JAN. YAHOOOO!!!! These last few work days have been a little difficult. LOL Take care, Jeremy

If I saw a Harli and didn't know what it was...I would be calling it a pastel. It has all the pastel traits that I would be looking for. But, and here is the BIG butt, this is why I think "bloodline" names are so important. And why I get so ticked off when others don't follow them...LOL! Once I found out that it was a Harli...I would have different expectations from this animal than I would from a normal pastel. And, the reason being....You guys have proven that Harlis carry certain genetic traits that pastels generally don't.
John
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By handing over all those boas for inspection? I'll have to run a series of tests...it'll only take a couple of years...Giltner,you too...fork 'em over! Jeff Gray,you too my friend...Seriously though guys...I LOVE a killer looking "pastel" (like those babies John produced!) & I'd be happy to own any one of them...I just wanted to point out that,it'd be like me buying a bunch of Giltners screamers,and,then posting them on my site as "Harlequins"? people would have certain expectations about their potential,and,it just wouldn't be right...It always seems that if something becomes popular suddenly everything is a "coral","pastel","jungle",etc...and,people are too quick to try & make broad comparisons,one simply has to scroll down the current classifieds to see what I mean? suddenly every albino with a patch of "orange-ish" scales is "coraling up"...every partially striped import is a "new jungle"??? so,honestly I wasn't ticked by anything at all...just trying to "keep it real"

I expect you to hand over all those hypo Harli's. LOL! MAN I LOVE THOSE THINGS!!!
I agree with you 100% as well. (I'm so agreeable these days. LOL!)
A lot of people do get on certain bandwagons and misrepresent their animals. IT DRIVES ME CRAZY!!! And, it actually ticks me off quite a bit. I feel pretty safe from it all. But, back in the day...I could have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker. I just feel bad for people who are spending money on things that are not what they are.
Keep it real yo.
Have a good holiday season brother.
John

>>By handing over all those boas for inspection? I'll have to run a series of tests...it'll only take a couple of years...Giltner,you too...fork 'em over! Jeff Gray,you too my friend...Seriously though guys...I LOVE a killer looking "pastel" (like those babies John produced!) & I'd be happy to own any one of them...I just wanted to point out that,it'd be like me buying a bunch of Giltners screamers,and,then posting them on my site as "Harlequins"? people would have certain expectations about their potential,and,it just wouldn't be right...It always seems that if something becomes popular suddenly everything is a "coral","pastel","jungle",etc...and,people are too quick to try & make broad comparisons,one simply has to scroll down the current classifieds to see what I mean? suddenly every albino with a patch of "orange-ish" scales is "coraling up"...every partially striped import is a "new jungle"??? so,honestly I wasn't ticked by anything at all...just trying to "keep it real"
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>>John, Those are very nice. I love the Orange on those snakes. With the "PASTEL" name being used sooo liberally, I would like to get your opinion on what makes those Pastel and What a Pastel is to you. (I'm not saying those aren't pastels), just trying to see if there is a Standard that applies. I could Only imagine those snakes you have if they were lacking Black. That would be the PERFECT BOA!!!!!!
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I think you are so right. The Pastel name is misused quite a bit. Drives me crazy! LOL! Mostly due to people buying animals thinking that it is something that it¡¦s not.
My definition is from Ronne. I figure he came up with the name¡K..His description ¡§should be¡¨ what is followed for that ¡§name¡¨. (My personal thinking) It¡¦s an overall reduction of black and has nothing to do with color. Color is just a bonus! ƒº (I¡¦m a sucker for the bonus!)

Are there other pastels out there? Of course! That killer animal you posted is a perfect example of it. That thing is ROCK¡¦N!
I also think there are varying degrees of Pastels as well. Some come out awesome¡KOthers have the potential with selective breeding. I think this is were a lot of the liberal usage comes from. There really are varying degrees of pastels. I just think that it¡¦s a buyer beware market. I see a lot of ads that I would never consider it to be a pastel. Most seem to lean towards it being a color issue. Which it is not.

I¡¦m pretty anal when it comes to lines and people others buy from. Just a personality thing. But, I also think it is a good rule to follow. If not, then we have breeders saying that they have a ¡§Canadian Jungle¡¨. Even though it has nothing to do with the Jungle line.

I think they are a lot of ¡§flavors¡¨ of boas out there. If yours ¡§is¡¨ different/proven¡KCall it a name. The name will label the bloodline and the characteristics of that line of boa. No confusion. A great example is the Harliquin line. Brandon and Tim both labeled their animals early on as pastels. Then they proved that their line is different from the Pastel line. (i.e. by their characteristics and genetics) Thus, the Harliquin was born. ƒº I am sure I am over simplifying this. But, I¡¦m doing this on a break at work. So, I have time constraints.

In closing, I agree with you whole heartedly. Breeding morphs with great looking snakes will bring the level up quite a few notches.
Take care,
John

>>Here is a pick of a Beauty I picked up in Daytona this year. This is my favorite look to the "PASTEL" name becuase of the lack of black and the shades of color that are just starting to come in. I have collected a Lot of "Pastels" in the past 4 years. Not because they are PASTELS, but becuase I am looking for certain looks to put into many of the Morphs I have been breeding. I think I should be breeding MOtleys, Jungles, Arabesques, to the BEST looking Columbians I can find to get even BETTER snakes out there.
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>>Best of Luck with those EBV Pastels. They are VERY NICE!!!!
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>>Jeremy Stone
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Thanks man. I love that baby you posted!!! That thing is KILLER! I would call it a pastel.
John
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>>>>John, Those are very nice. I love the Orange on those snakes. With the "PASTEL" name being used sooo liberally, I would like to get your opinion on what makes those Pastel and What a Pastel is to you. (I'm not saying those aren't pastels), just trying to see if there is a Standard that applies. I could Only imagine those snakes you have if they were lacking Black. That would be the PERFECT BOA!!!!!!
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>>I think you are so right. The Pastel name is misused quite a bit. Drives me crazy! LOL! Mostly due to people buying animals thinking that it is something that it¡¦s not.
>>My definition is from Ronne. I figure he came up with the name¡K..His description ¡§should be¡¨ what is followed for that ¡§name¡¨. (My personal thinking) It¡¦s an overall reduction of black and has nothing to do with color. Color is just a bonus! ƒº (I¡¦m a sucker for the bonus!)
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>>Are there other pastels out there? Of course! That killer animal you posted is a perfect example of it. That thing is ROCK¡¦N!
>>I also think there are varying degrees of Pastels as well. Some come out awesome¡KOthers have the potential with selective breeding. I think this is were a lot of the liberal usage comes from. There really are varying degrees of pastels. I just think that it¡¦s a buyer beware market. I see a lot of ads that I would never consider it to be a pastel. Most seem to lean towards it being a color issue. Which it is not.
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>>I¡¦m pretty anal when it comes to lines and people others buy from. Just a personality thing. But, I also think it is a good rule to follow. If not, then we have breeders saying that they have a ¡§Canadian Jungle¡¨. Even though it has nothing to do with the Jungle line.
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>>I think they are a lot of ¡§flavors¡¨ of boas out there. If yours ¡§is¡¨ different/proven¡KCall it a name. The name will label the bloodline and the characteristics of that line of boa. No confusion. A great example is the Harliquin line. Brandon and Tim both labeled their animals early on as pastels. Then they proved that their line is different from the Pastel line. (i.e. by their characteristics and genetics) Thus, the Harliquin was born. ƒº I am sure I am over simplifying this. But, I¡¦m doing this on a break at work. So, I have time constraints.
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>>In closing, I agree with you whole heartedly. Breeding morphs with great looking snakes will bring the level up quite a few notches.
>>Take care,
>>John
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>>>>Here is a pick of a Beauty I picked up in Daytona this year. This is my favorite look to the "PASTEL" name becuase of the lack of black and the shades of color that are just starting to come in. I have collected a Lot of "Pastels" in the past 4 years. Not because they are PASTELS, but becuase I am looking for certain looks to put into many of the Morphs I have been breeding. I think I should be breeding MOtleys, Jungles, Arabesques, to the BEST looking Columbians I can find to get even BETTER snakes out there.
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>>>>Best of Luck with those EBV Pastels. They are VERY NICE!!!!
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>>>>Jeremy Stone
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>>Thanks man. I love that baby you posted!!! That thing is KILLER! I would call it a pastel.
>>John
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