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I just hatched my 11th little baby crested, a beautiful creamsicle darkfire harlequin from my pinstripe trio. Just wanted to express my excitement...I have about 15 eggs that should hatch any day.

On another note, I was wondering whether hybridization of auriculatus and ciliatus was possible with a auric male and ciliatus females, or whether it was only possible if the auric was female. Anyone have any idea?

David

So far, no one (that I'm aware of) has been able to pull that one off and I know of at least a few guys who've tried. I'm not much for hybridization, but I'm with you in that I'm very curious to see what that would look like.

I have to also bring up the "Creamsicle Darkfire Harlequin" that you hatched.

A true creamsicle is an orange gecko with a white dorsal pattern...named after the orange and white popsicle. If there is any dark pattern at all, it's not a creamsicle.

A dark fire or dark harlequin is a brown or black gecko with a lighter colored dorsal pattern. What differentiates a fire from a harlequin is that harlequins have quite a bit of pattern on their limbs.

With that having been said, it's not possible to have a "creamsicle darkfire harlequin" because there are characteristics in each "morph" that would disqualify the gecko as being any of the other morphs you listed. You could have a Creamsicle, a dark fire or a dark harlequin.

The idea behind assigning names to particular color and pattern combinations was so that people would be on the same page when talking about their Cresteds. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people use them incorrectly...either unknowingly or in an attempt to misrepresent their animals.

Another thing I'd like to point out here is that my creamsicle babies don't come out orange....they're usually dark grey or tan with a white or even orange dorsal pattern. I don't call them creamsicles until they're several months old and actually look like a creamsicle.

Anyway, I didn't mean to come off as being rude, but the misuse of the so-called "morph" names makes me crazy at times, so I had to set that straight.

BTW, If you don't have the "new" rhac book, you may want to get a copy and check out the morphs section. It's got a lot of pictures and descriptions.

-Anthony

>>I just hatched my 11th little baby crested, a beautiful creamsicle darkfire harlequin from my pinstripe trio. Just wanted to express my excitement...I have about 15 eggs that should hatch any day.
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>>On another note, I was wondering whether hybridization of auriculatus and ciliatus was possible with a auric male and ciliatus females, or whether it was only possible if the auric was female. Anyone have any idea?
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>>David
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Anthony Caponetto
www.ACreptiles.com

i was about to mention this subject yesterday. there are a few people on here ( not going to name names) who are calling their cresteds creamsicles. they are obviously not orange and cream colored. i have only seen maybe 4 or 5 very good creamsicle pictures ever. they are hard to get ahold of and will become more popular in the future, but as of now, don't call it a creamsicle unless it's obviously orange, and cream.

Anthony, I do have the new rhac book, but I feel that most of the patterning and coloration is a spectrum, rather than a dichotomy. I rarely see any agreement over the pattern names, even since the book hit shelves.
You're completely right that creamsicle was not the right term to use, I meant to use it to describe the coloring of the fire on the dorsum of the baby, not to imply that the gecko was orange as well. Tell me, however, what you would call this gecko.

Best,
David

The hue in that picture is a bit off, so I can't be sure what I'd call it. However, Creamsicles aren't hard to identify, so long as you aren't too creative about your definition of the colors orange and cream. If it's orange and cream in color, that would make it a creamsicle.

Unfortunately, the more people fall in love with the idea of an orange and cream ciliatus, the harder they try to see orange and cream in their own animals.

I agree that the naming convention we use is shaky at best, but the terms you used to describe your baby were redundant and contradictory to one another. I explained the specifics in my previous post.

Again, there was no offense intended, but I just wanted to clear that "creamsicle darkfire harlequin" thing up before more people became confused.

-Anthony

>>Anthony, I do have the new rhac book, but I feel that most of the patterning and coloration is a spectrum, rather than a dichotomy. I rarely see any agreement over the pattern names, even since the book hit shelves.
>>You're completely right that creamsicle was not the right term to use, I meant to use it to describe the coloring of the fire on the dorsum of the baby, not to imply that the gecko was orange as well. Tell me, however, what you would call this gecko.
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>>Best,
>>David
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Anthony Caponetto
www.ACreptiles.com

That picture is completely unaltered, and taken with flash from a distance (with zoom) using a Nikon Coolpix 4300. I took about 25 other pictures of that female the same day, all with the same chromatic qualities. I asked what you would call it because I haven't been able to come up with anything better than Red Fire, and her babies look exactly like her (blue eyes and all), but with the zigzag fire of her mate.

I didn't say it was altered...but that the hue is off. It's probably your white balance settings. One way to tell that it's off is that the white on the tail and certain parts of the plant are all on the blue side. It looks like what heppens when you take pics under a fluorescent light, but have the white balance settings on your camera set for tungsten lighting. Read your camera's manual and there should be info about the white balance in there.

I took the pic into photoshop and adjusted it to where everything looks normal and if I adjusted everything correctly, you do have a creamsicle.

-Anthony

>>That picture is completely unaltered, and taken with flash from a distance (with zoom) using a Nikon Coolpix 4300. I took about 25 other pictures of that female the same day, all with the same chromatic qualities. I asked what you would call it because I haven't been able to come up with anything better than Red Fire, and her babies look exactly like her (blue eyes and all), but with the zigzag fire of her mate.
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Anthony Caponetto
www.ACreptiles.com

The only rhac hybrid I have seen was a single chahoua/auriculatus hybrid. I'm pretty sure it was in the Henkel Rhac book. You should take a look.

Chahoua/ciliatus cross tho. Yes thier is also a picture of it in the Henkel book. I saw a chahoua/ciliatus cross at a show a couple years back. was neat but normal chahoua are better hehe.
Nate

>>The only rhac hybrid I have seen was a single chahoua/auriculatus hybrid. I'm pretty sure it was in the Henkel Rhac book. You should take a look.
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Anthony Caponetto
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