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I'm slowly learning about all this...
Where does striping come in on jungles? If the striped parent is a king is striping dominant? (I heard somewhere that stripes in calkings was dominant, is that true?) And if it's recessive, can you say that the babies are het for stripe? Does it work that way? I know calking genetics dont work exactly the same way that corn genetics do, and corn is really all I am familier with. This is all so frustrating, and exciting! I cant wait to get breeding this season!
Sarah

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FireDrake Exotics
www.FireAndLilac.com

I THINK that the banding is dominant and the striping is reccesive. I THINK that the offspring would be het for stripe. BUT i am not sure. lol

John

The Striped trait in kingsnakes is a dominant trait, if you were to breed a striped kingsnake to another striped king you'll produce all striped babies if the parents were from a pure striped bloodline. (you can produce a solid striped hatchling from two aberrant parents). I'm not sure how that'll go when you breed a striped king to a corn snake. but i assume you'll produce either partial striped, aberrant, and/or "normal" patterned hatchlings. but when bred back to each other or to another striped king you should definitely produce a few striped hatchlings. so if you do not produce striped hatchling they all will have the potential to produce striped offspring.

Hope that explanation was clear.

~ZFELICIEN

I am surprised that there is not more info available regarding long-term breeding of hybrids, down the generations. I know that jungle corns have been around for a number of years, long enough to be well into multiple generations. What has happened to all the jungle corns produced in the 80's? (I remember those, though I don't know how new the cross was at the time.) Should we not at least have some F5s around, even taking into account that many of the early hybrids may have been primarily pets or the buyers lost interest in breeding them. Can anyone site any references (published prefessional references, not just a breeder promoting their line) for hybrid breeding beyond F2?

charlene

np

Hey, I want to know too!! Seems like there is so little info out there for a snake that has been around for a while.

Sarah
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FireDrake Exotics
www.FireAndLilac.com

Striping in Cal kings has been shown to be dominant over banding.

Brandon Osborne

That's what I was thinking, but, when you breed a striped king to a corn, is it dominant? I guess I'm going to find out if all goes as planned, I am getting a male striped tomorrow and have some nice corn girls cooled and ready for him.

Sarah
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FireDrake Exotics
www.FireAndLilac.com

are you sure? last year I bred a lavender banded male to a albino striped female and I had only one partial striped offspring of 6 eggs. all the other were banded!
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1.0 Python molurus bivittatus albino(3.30m)
0.1 Python molurus bivittatus(5,80m)
1.1 Chondropython viridis (aru)
1.0 Chondropython viridis (lereh)
0.1 Chondropython viridis (sorong)
1.2 Lampropeltis californiae desert
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae albino striped
2.1 Lampropeltis californiae lavender
1.1 Lampropeltis californiae snow
2.2 Lampropeltis triangulum sinaloae
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum nelsoni albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum gaigeae
2.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis albino
0.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het albino
1.1 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis het hypo
1.0 Lampropeltis triangulum hondurensis super hypo
1.1 Heterodon nasicus
0.1 Pituophis sayi albino
2.2 Pituophis sayi ivory ghost
1.1 Elaphe guttata blizzard
1.1 Elaphe guttata lavender
0.1 Elaphe guttata snow het opal
1.0 Elaphe guttata bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata hypo bloodred
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino striped
1.3 Elaphe guttata snow
1.0 Elaphe guttata snow bubblegum striped
1.0 Elaphe guttata ghost motley
0.1 Elaphe guttata albino
1.0 Elaphe guttata albino sunglow
0.1 Elaphe guttata miamy phase
1.1 Elaphe guttata candy cane
1.1 Elaphe o. obsoleta leucistic
2.2 Elaphe o. obsoleta het albino and white side
1.0 Elaphe o. obsoleta white side
1.2 Jungle corn albino
0.1 Jungle corn snow
1.0 Jungle corn albino striped
1.2 Gongylophis colubrinus loveridgei

Can anyone post a pic or link to a striped Jungle Corn?
I've never seen one before and wondering if any have ever been produced. I agree with others that it's a recessive trait, but in this crossbreeding corns/kings has it been done.
Anyhow I only have one hybrid and really enjoy her, each shed she's different by the black fading to yellow.
Happy Herping,
Uncloudy

how do you crossbreed a corn and a king without the corn snake being eaten? also i'm confused as to the genetics, how are two different genus of snakes closely related enough to produce viable offspring? i do admit that they are beautiful snakes and would like to someday have some, but they do confuse me.

Hello,

I have been working with Albino Jungles for several years and striping does appear from breedings where it would not normally...(at least with same species breedings) occur.

Background:

My male Albino Jungles (50% Albino Cal/ 50% Albino Corn) were produced from a single generation breeding. That in itself is weird. There should have been a generation of normal Jungles het. for Albino, but that was skipped. This defies logic, but it is what happened. They were produced by a friend of mine (3 males/1 female). He kept a pair, and I got the extra males. One is banded and the other one is more of a Bananna pattern (indicating stripe genetics), but the colors on both are pastel oranges, yellows, and pinks.

This year (2004) I bred the Bananna patterned male to several of my Albino Corns. I have been working with these Corns for years, multi-generations, and they do not have any stripe genetics, to my knowledge.

Check out the following site for some pictures of some of the babies.

http://f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/serpentmutations

I kept a bunch of females that are even cooler than the males in the pictures. Many of the females had stripes, but the banding did occur as well. Also a few aberant patterns.

Jungle genetics are an enigma that will not be easy to predict or understand. It will take many generations before any semblance of genetic stability will ever be achieved.
It is very exciting though.

James D. Sickels, Jr.
serpentmutations@yahoo.com

You said:
"My male Albino Jungles (50% Albino Cal/ 50% Albino Corn) were produced from a single generation breeding. That in itself is weird. There should have been a generation of normal Jungles het. for Albino, but that was skipped. This defies logic, but it is what happened."

Why is that weird? I bred an amel corn to a coastal calking and got albino babies, proving my coastal to be het albino. Calking albino and corn albino is obviously compatible. So I guess that's wierd, but I was under the impression that that was known for a while now?

Sarah
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FireDrake Exotics
www.FireAndLilac.com

You are correct.

It has been documented, but I still find it weird...
given the fact that there are possibly three types of hypomelanism, and "perhaps" as many anytherisims within the Corn species that are not compatible...and who knows what other genetic incompatabilities...and often (but not always) there is a genetic compatability of two separate species for albinism.

I guess it does show that there is a closer genetic link than what is generally accepted (by "the scientific community" anyway)...between these two species.