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More Extreme Hypos

Colubrid-aphilia Dec 26, 2004 07:54 PM

Has anyone yet bred an Extreme to an Extreme, and if so what was the outcome of the breeding? Is it safe to say that extreme x extreme = extreme offspring?

Also, I have the option of looking for another extreme to pair with the one I have, or several others such as a tri-color hypo female, or a Tangerine Albino female of which I have both.

Just curious what the outcome would be on the Extreme x Extreme to see if I need to come up with a female. Anyone have or going to be offering an Extreme Hypo female this coming season?

Thanks in advance, newbie on the board.

Replies (16)

shannon brown Dec 26, 2004 09:44 PM

Welcome to the board,
You should put your name down so we all know who to address?

The jury is still out but I believe that they do breed true.
Mike alvarez bred a extreme x extreme and reported that out of six there were five extrem's and one that didn't look all that extreme but was lighter and better than normal?
I have seen this animal and I believe it is a extreme but is just a low quility one?

Anyways,Time will tell and it will be fun to see the extreme ghosts and hybinos etc....

L8r
Shannon

don shores Dec 26, 2004 10:37 PM

Here is a pic of a female hypo from an extreme to hypo breeding. She is real light but I don't think she is an extreme. She came from Kevin Handley. Don

don shores Dec 26, 2004 10:39 PM

Here is an extreme male I got from Mike Alvarrez this year. He is lighter than the female.

Nokturnel Tom Dec 26, 2004 11:31 PM

Awesome snake Don. You're gonna have some incredible stuff in the next year or 2. Can you post a pic of the red tangerine Albino adult from the classified ad? I would love to see more of that snake. Happy Holidays Tom Stevens

don shores Dec 27, 2004 12:01 PM

Thanks Tom. I hope to have some nice ones. Here is a pic of the bi-colored albino male. Don

Nokturnel Tom Dec 27, 2004 01:12 PM

I have to get one like that for myself someday. I have a nice group for now, and my collection in general is very complete but something like that is just too nice to resist. Can't wait to see what pops up in 05 for Hondos, and of course Brooksi too. ttyl Tom Stevens

snakecellar Dec 28, 2004 01:31 AM

Applegate Pyros are more orange in color than this beauty. I would call this one a "Candycane albino". If any snake out there looks like a candycane the red tangerine albino Hondurans are it. I agree with Terry that "red tangerine albino" describes the snake without creating any confusion.

Wayne

rtdunham Dec 27, 2004 04:24 PM

>>Here is a pic of the bi-colored albino male. Don
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Don, just a reminder that in normal/wild type Hondos "bicolors" are animals which have had their narrow mid-triad rings completely obscured by black tipping, leaving only two colors: the now-wide black (comprised of narrow black/the narrow ring that's now black/narrow black) and the (usually red) wide rings. At least that's the usage i've become accustomed to over the years.

By that same token, I've always considered a bicolor albino to be an animal whose narrow mid-triad ring (usually pale yellow, cream, light gold or orange) has been completely obscured by white, since on albinos tipping appears as white instead of black. Thus a bicolor albino typically is two colors: the color of the wide rings (usually red) plus the now-wide white rings (or yellow rings, on snakes that gain yellow with age).

Your snake looks like what I've seen called a "red tangerine"--the colors of the two rings approximate each other, but in the case of your snake and a few others (regis opferman produced a few a few years back, i've produced a few, i've seen a few others) on which the rings are nearly the same shade of red, compared to usual tangerines which are nearly the same shade of orange. Yours seems to still be showing the original colors of all the rings, since yours shows wide-red, narrow white, AND narrow red--i'm guessing those narrow reds are the mid-triad rings and that nothing has been obscured by white on this snake.

To me, although "bicolor" adequately describes your snake, in the hondo jargon i've seen used, it diminishes the snake unfairly, suggeting it's one of those that has had some of its color obscured or removed by the aging/tipping process. Your animal's a beaut.

Maybe others have seen the terminology used differently?

Terry

don shores Dec 27, 2004 06:21 PM

Thanks Terry, I guess I should call them red albinos since they are not tangerine. Of course I am fairly new into the honduran morphs but that really sounds logical. Don

Colubrid-aphilia Dec 27, 2004 07:09 AM

Thanks for the pics Don, two really nice snakes! As far as the "Extreme Hypos" go, am I correct in saying that they have red eyes? In other words, if it had black eyes like a normal hypo, and even if it was very light, you couldn't call it an "Extreme" unless it has red eyes??? Thanks in advance to any and all who reply.
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"Colubrid-aphilia", adj; An inordinate love of Colubrids.

shannon brown Dec 28, 2004 11:56 AM

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Colubrid-aphilia Dec 28, 2004 03:42 PM

Can somebody explain it better then? Are you saying that any Hypo with an extremely reduced black, to the point of being almost transparent is an Extreme? I was just trying to find out what the definate traits were, and had noticed that the really "Extreme" ones had the red eyes.
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"Colubrid-aphilia", adj; An inordinate love of Colubrids.

shannon brown Dec 28, 2004 11:15 PM

You on your first post?
I hate answering posts to ???????blank??????????

L8r
Shannon Brown

Colubrid-aphilia Dec 29, 2004 06:29 AM

Sorry, read right over it several times without comprehending it. Was just curious though of what would be the traits of an "Extreme" vs. just a really nice light hypo? I am in the process of buying an Extreme that has the very light, almost transparent stripes and red eyes and was wondering how you can distinguish between a really nice light hypo and an "Extreme". Thanks and sorry for the missed read above.

Dan.
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"Colubrid-aphilia", adj; An inordinate love of Colubrids.

shannon brown Dec 29, 2004 11:25 AM

Thanks Dan,Hey I was close?it was a common three letter name/LOL.

Anyways,Well you can't just go by eye color cause I have several hypos that have red eyes.Some of my very first (rather drab) hypos have red eyes?

I guess we are going to have to decided at some point if a extreme is a look or a bloodline?at this point I believe it is a bloodline.
To my knowledge the only extreme bloodline out there is that of mike falcons and paul wevers.

Maybe I will start a new thread and ask terry what he thanks?

Shannon

Colubrid-aphilia Dec 29, 2004 05:48 PM

Sounds good Shannon,

I'm just curious as I am getting an Extreme Hypo (pics coming very soon) and was curious just how you can tell it's an Extreme so that I can get a mate for him (hopefully). Guess it's not going to be as easy as looking for red eyes, which would have been a dead giveaway to tell between a regular "nice Hypo" and an Extreme Hypo. Oh well, as long as they look killer that's all that matters

Dan.
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"Colubrid-aphilia", adj; An inordinate love of Colubrids.

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