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Dwarfism

Eric East Dec 29, 2004 11:47 AM

Some of you have mentioned having dwarf indigos in the past and i'm curious about a few things..

1)Were they of typical size as neonates? If so, when did you begin to suspect that something was wrong?

2)Were they typical feeders or were they abnormal feeders? I know this is a tough question since some neonates are difficult to get started.

3)How large did they end up being as adults, and is there a minimum acceptable size that they animal would be accepted as simply a smallish "normal" specimen?

4)Did their girth appear normal for their length or were they overly heavy bodied?

Thanks!

Eric

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Replies (3)

epidemic Dec 29, 2004 01:26 PM

1)Were they of typical size as neonates? If so, when did you begin to suspect that something was wrong?

I have a dwarf D. m erebennus, I received as an adult, and a dwarf D. couperi, which I acquired as a neonate five years ago. I cannot speak for the erebennus, as I did not raise it, but the D. couperi appeared normal as a neonate. I noticed a difference in growth after 12 months, as the D. couperi stopped gaining length, though ecdysis was normal and it gained normal girth..

2)Were they typical feeders or were they abnormal feeders? I know this is a tough question since some neonates are difficult to get started.

The D. couperi was not difficult to start feeding, and both harbor the typical adult Drymarchon feeding response now. Unfortunately, I cannot speak for the D. m erebennus, regarding its feeding behavior as a juvenile.

3)How large did they end up being as adults, and is there a minimum acceptable size that they animal would be accepted as simply a smallish "normal" specimen?

The D. m erebennus is seven years of age, from what the previous owner has informed me, and she is a hair over 48”.
The D. couperi is now five years of age and just under 48”. Both continue to grow, but only by approximately an inch or two per year..

4)Did their girth appear normal for their length or were they overly heavy bodied?

The D. m erebennus has normal girth for its size, but the head is proportionately large for a 48” specimen. The D. couperi is just the opposite, having a girth proportionately wide for a specimen of 48", with a proportionately sized head.

Best regards,

Jeff

Doug T Dec 29, 2004 02:15 PM

I worked with 1 Dwarf. It may be the "dwarfiest" ever too.

1)Were they of typical size as neonates? If so, when did you begin to suspect that something was wrong?

It was a slow to start feeder, but did eat on its own. I can't say exactly when I thought something was wrong as it was more of a process of becoming more and more convinced through the evidence I saw that it wasn't going to be normal.

2)Were they typical feeders or were they abnormal feeders? I know this is a tough question since some neonates are difficult to get started.

Mine was tough to start, but never needed force feeding. It just never seemed to grow. It had a typical indigo feeding response, it just couldn't eat as much

3)How large did they end up being as adults, and is there a minimum acceptable size that they animal would be accepted as simply a smallish "normal" specimen?

I gave mine away at, if I remember correctly, 3 years. It was barely 2 feet long, very thick, with heavily overlapping and curved scales. If it had been another species, I might have considered breeding it to see if it was genetic. Since it was an indigo, it wasn't something I thought was good for the hobby.

As for a smallish normal, my opinion is 6 feet for a male, 5 feet for a female is probably underdeveloped.

4)Did their girth appear normal for their length or were they overly heavy bodied?

No, Mine was short, stalky, not as flexible, could not eat normal sized meals for an indigo. The most telling feature for me with the scales overlapped heavily and were curved concavely in the center and folded back at the tips. I had to help her shed most of the time when she was an adult since the scales pinched on each other.

She was also the only survivor in a clutch of eggs that belonged to a friend who has not worked with indigos for many years. He incubated them at 83 degrees (the likely problem?).

Doug T
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D Goudie Dec 30, 2004 06:26 AM

I purchased a pair of CB babies back in '01, the Male right now is 5'6" the female is 3' 1.5 ". The Male is fairly lean (I DON'T believe in powerfeeding) the female is like a black ball python, she has a normal a feed resaponse as any Indigo. I noticed in their 2nd year she was not catching up with the male, the past year she's grown maybe 3 inches. Her scalation pattern seems normal for a female but she IS very fat.

I am going to be contacting other people that have purchased babies from that clutch just to compare note, VERY dissapointing when it happens, but when you buy them sight unseen & the fact that they are rarely offered for sale in Canada.... whats a person to do???

Have a great day

Dean

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