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... I think I remember you saying you kinda liked these guys. I have had more response to them than just about any Cal king I produced so... I will be putting the same parents together again this spring. Not all came out like this, and I have no idea why ANY came out like this either (the female is a normal banana, the male a melanistic banana), but I'll give 'em another try. Go figure.
Do you produce some like this one? What are the parents?
:Mark

Damn you Mark everytime you post that pic I start drooling ! Do you still have that snake ? Any recent pics of him/her ?

Keith
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I no longer have that particular one. I really had no idea they were so cool looking until I went through the pics later. I do have sibs that didn't sell at the time for various reasons, but they're not as clean as this one or the 3-4 like him that are gone also.
They ARE a bit different I guess.
That's why I'm gonna try and get some more. (fingers crossed)
:Mark

holy kingsnake, that is the best cal king morph i have ever seen!
dave

Very nice looking b/w striped Cal King!! Really Hot looking even b/w stripes. dave

What would you call that? I think "Triple Stripe" suits it well.
It is strange that you are producing those with banana kings, but these calkings are pretty darn variable too, huh?
Thanks for the cool pic Mark,
-John Lassiter-

I got this little guy from a banana & normal B&W banded that I bred this past season, but he was the only one out of ten that looked like this.
Not as clean as yours, but still kinda wild looking (he's in blue in this pic)

Zee

Reminds me of this Pantherophis guttatus meahllmorum, Southwestern ratsnake, that I'm raising. The hobby calls this a reverse-striped Great Plains ratsnake. The snakes in the southern Great Plains tend toward a pattern that is breaking into stripes like this. Some babies have it more than others.

TC

has some very nice ones like that. I believe he line bred them but things still pop up randomly as well? Great snake you have there though. Tom Stevens

...But nowhere near as cool or as clean as that one. This guy is an '03 and came from a normal banana dad & banded 50/50 mum. This was the 3rd pairing for those 2 snakes and that was the first time they produced anything like this. There was a female sibling similar to that in the same clutch, but unfortunately she croaked for unknown reasons at a couple of months old. This guy is healthy as a horse and friendly as can be, he's been that way since the minute he emerged from his egg. He has never once rattled or musked at me and has become one of the favourites in my collection because of it. He has a lovely black & wide white stripe female of the same age waiting for him when they're old enough.

I did breed the parents together again this last year but none of the babies were 'striped' like that. maybe I'll get lucky again this year...or the next, maybe it's an 'every 3rd year' thing for them lol

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"Hail to the King baby..." -Ash, Housewares (Bruce Campbell vs AOD)

This is his future mate. She came from Satyrday Reptiles and is absolutely stunning in her clean-nes and contrast. Sorry for the blurry pic, I'll try get some more recent ones of them both.
~Roo

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"Hail to the King baby..." -Ash, Housewares (Bruce Campbell vs AOD)

I think that is the same snake that I e-mailed you about awhile back (last year or before that??).

And like some of the other comments already, THAT IS ONE OF THE NICEST cal kings that I've seen. Wish it was more predictable.

I would like to take that blood-line and breed it with the wide-stripes cal kings I got from Don Shores. Same thing with the wide-stripers, not always consistent.

Like a lot of people, let me know if you produce some more this year, I would be interested in getting some.

Kerby...

It would be interesting to breed one of those with this female High White Reverse Stripe (het for albinism). I bred her last year ('04) to one of my Albino High Whites and found out she was het for albinism.

Kerby...

From breeding an Albino High White male to the female High WHite Reverse Stripe.

Now if I can just get a couple of the nice double stripers that you produced (het for melanistic too I believe) the the possibilities would be great!

Kerby...

WOW! What a great snake. How many have you produced that are similar? Good luck with everything Tom Stevens

I will have to check my records, but I think that 2 were albino from this clutch, and the rest were nice High Whites w/ partial striping (all 100% het for albinism).

I haven't decided what male I'm going to breed to the High White Reverse Stripe female. Maybe use the same male or something different.

Kerby...

Taken today. The pink is turning to white with the stripe still being a nice pink. White snake with a pink stripe!

Kerby...

Kerby...

Great snakes Kerby. It seems the Cal Kings are the pet shop special and looked at as low dollar average snakes even when they're knockouts....and locales are underappreciated. Being a morph lover I am hoping some off the wall stuff appears in the near future. Yours are some of my faves, great work. Tom Stevens
Love those Creamsicles too!

This spring I will be breeding a WC GPR into my Creamsicles to increase the percentage. I think most people's Creams have very little GPR in them.

Kerby...

I need to update this snake's pic, but I'm looking forward to breeding these this year too.

Kerby...

Very cool, I live in TX and a friend and myself considered trying to ad some fresh Emoryi into some Cream projects too. I will email you a pic or 2 of mine seeing we're on the wrong forum. I see Don Shores at the local shows....he always has real nice Cal Kings, but I am a Brooksi fanatic. I am waiting for someone quad het Cal Kings before I get any, hoping I will produce something really different. Til then I have 15 Brooksi, 5 Specks, and a pair of Nigritis and Thayeri. I am good to go on Kings for now LOL Thanks for the pics. Tom Stevens

I know, I'm excited about the possibilities.

I'll still be adding fuel to the fire this year by making more combos.

Kerby...

Is that a cinnamon? I hope to breed mine within the next two years also.

I agree with you that the creamsicles don't have enough GPR in them. I don't think the cinnamons do either, although I've only seen a few, so far. I think they need to be closer to 50-50 to be the nicer looking ones. That's why I'm trying to start a few GPR lines to breed these mutations into.

PS: Did you see my photo up above?

Luck with that....TC.

PS: Here's a pic of two meahllmorum and a cross bt. meahllmorum and a corn. The cross is het for hypo...

Okay I'm confused, what is a Pantherophis guttatus meahllmorum??

**Reminds me of this Pantherophis guttatus meahllmorum, Southwestern ratsnake, that I'm raising. The hobby calls this a reverse-striped Great Plains ratsnake. The snakes in the southern Great Plains tend toward a pattern that is breaking into stripes like this. Some babies have it more than others**

My Great Plains Ratsnakes came from Linn County, KS (Eastern Kansas), although we found some really nice silver ones in Russell County. Hard to find GPR when there are so many Milksnakes under the rocks LOL!

Kerby...

I bought these as Milk Motleys, but I picked the ones out with aberrancies. There were some available that had some nice bands (like a milksnake). Supposed to be het for a lot of stuff, we shall see this summer LOL

Pure Cornsakes.

Kerby...

>>I bought these as Milk Motleys, but I picked the ones out with aberrancies. There were some available that had some nice bands (like a milksnake). Supposed to be het for a lot of stuff, we shall see this summer LOL
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>>Pure Cornsakes.

Sorry, Kerby, had to leave last night. Also have to go back to work this morning.

Thanks for the info on the corns. Cinnamons are hypo crosses bt. corns and emoryi, supposedly. That's what I'm trying to do, using my s. TX morphs, which the literature currently calls, Pantherophis guttatus meahllmorum. Pantherophis replaces "Elaphe" in the new classification, and meahllmorum is the subspecies name for the southern Great Plains ratsnake. I know many folks prefer using the old names, so I use the common names a lot too.

As for your post above, Kansas has some nice GPR's. I would have liked to seen the silver morph you found. Was it from western KS? I'm getting some het for amelanism in the spring that are 50% from a nice Kansas male. I'm into locality morphs, if you didn't notice.

Thanks for the photo of the nice looking corn. Hadn't seen that one before. And the information. Shoot me an email if you want to talk about corns/GPR's some more, and we can describe the rest we have.

Have a great week....TC.

That one's definitely a keeper, Kerby. I would be happy just to make more of those TC.

I have lots of cal kings that I produced last year that I need to take pics of before they are sold. I did sell quite a few unique ones without pics.

One of my goals this year, UPDATE MY WEBSITE!!!

Kerby...

I was almost 100% sure it was you Kerby. As I said back then, you'll be the first to know if I get any more this year.
Thanks for all the good words!
:Mark

I found this pic on the Pro Exotics website. I dont think they breed Cals and I know this pic has been there for a few years.

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