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I would like to get peoples opinion of what they think is a HYBRID? Do you think BCC x BCI is a hybrid? Give me all your definitions.
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Mutt

A hybrid is really a cross between two seperate species. The crosses between the differant locality or subspecies of Boa Constrictor ssp. should better be labeled as integrades.

B.c.c x B.c.i-Hybrid
Suriname x Guyanan-same thing, normal....who tells them they cant cross a river?
Argentine x B.c.c. or B.c.i. Hybrid, and any others that do not have same scientific name.......hybrids
But a nicaraguan crossed witha colombian locale-same thing, different colors.....
albino argentines x colombian-hybrids....
Surinames and Guyanans always get trapped in both countries,....some cross border cause Suriname pays slightly higher for them to export, and thus are guyanan locale being shipped and sold as suriname...its a common knowledge thing.....surinames being shipped as guyanans, not so common.
Now we also get Guyanans out of Brazil, that should be Brazilian B.C.C. but in reality are caught on the borders......within brazil, and sent out from guyana....they look the same, etc so what does it matter?
Amazon Basin Redtails are Peruvians not Ecuadorians...ecuador has been closed for some time, that was a ploy from an importer so people would not know that the main breeder in Peru was exporting peruvians again.....they look the same, either way, different countries....but being sold as something "totally" different than peruvians, even though they were.....if its b.c.c. its the same thing.....just different countries....okeetee corns are from south carolina, yet some in georgia and florida which have been added into the mix of most breeders, look the same.....
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To be honest according to todays science hybrids are as simple as crossing a red flower with a white flower to get a pink flower. On a google search of definitions this one most fits...

The offspring of two animals or plants of different races, breeds, varieties, species, or genera.
www.epa.gov/maia/html/glossary.html

ex. black and white parents have maloto babies.

Morphs are Hybrids, they are Designer animals.

Andy

I can look out my front door and see miles of hybrid corn, which is made by crossing two inbred lines.

Paul Hollander

I would like to get peoples opinion of what they think is a HYBRID? Do you think BCC x BCI is a hybrid? Give me all your definitions.

There's an old school definition that hybrids are species crosses, but the modern definition is subspecies crosses. Bcc x Bci is definately a hybrid cross.

Subspecies crosses are NOT intergrades. Intergrades are either produced in the wild or the offspring of wild intergrades. In other words, crossing a Bci to a Bcc does not give you an intergrade.

Doug T
Doug Taylor Reptiles

i would think any animals that are not from the same geographic area,would be concidered a hybred or out crosses,,kinda like breeding a lab to a boxer,,or mastiff to a bulldog then you'll get a bullmastiff,some will have more of the mothers looks and some the fathers,then you'll have to pick the best in your (mind) and bred these's together,then there's F1,f2,f3's and so on,, (creamcicle corns) there hybreds.well thats my 2 cents but what do i know, Greg

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This is what I found in the websters dictionary of the word "HYBRID":

HYBRID : an offspring of two animals or plants of different races, breeds, varieties, species, or genera.

I originally thought that Hybrid had to be to different species, But I guess I was wrong. After reading that definition, I would have to say 95% of the captive breeding that goes on in Herpetoculture is Hybridizing then??? Varieties??? Therefor Breeding a Surinam with hardley any widows peaks, to a Surinam with Super nice widows peaks, to produce offspring that nice widows peaks would be hybridizing right? even though they are both surinams they are to different Varieties???
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If you look up the word "Varieties" in the websters dictionary, this is what you find.

VARIETIES a : something differing from others of the same general kind : SORT b : any of various groups of plants or animals ranking below a species : SUBSPECIES

So if I get it, If you bred a subspecies together that wouldn't be defined as "Hybridizing"

I might be totally wrong, I am pretty tired, Just trying to understand the purists view point.
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I found this definition in a biology text, This is what a scientific defition of Hybrid is. I guess....????

Definition of hybrid :

(1) A heterozygote. (2) A progeny individual from any cross involving parents of differing genotypes. Offspring of unlike parents. (3) A duplex polynucleotide formed by hybridization of two single stranded polynucleotides of different origin.

Pretty simple enough "grin"
wish I could read german... LOL
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That is correct! Nice post Safari. Thanks Andy