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yesterday i found a dark almost pure black sub adult wandring garter up in midway, utah right by the provo river. you can still see the pattern but it is really dull. it is brownish black with a white chin (i think)so could it have the gene of menalistic in it could it be a het menalistic any answers would be great

chris
PS...pics soon

Did it look like this.

This one was found in northern Utah.
It is the most melanistic wandering garter I have ever seen from Utah. I'd be interested to know if the one you found looked like it.

Brian Eagar

>>yesterday i found a dark almost pure black sub adult wandring garter up in midway, utah right by the provo river. you can still see the pattern but it is really dull. it is brownish black with a white chin (i think)so could it have the gene of menalistic in it could it be a het menalistic any answers would be great
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>>chris
>>PS...pics soon

Both of these snakes were very brown.
The first one was almost entirely brown

Found at 7000 feet in southern Utah

Found at 8100 feet in southern Utah

Brian Eagar

i caught another larger one and it ate a large fuzzy but then it shed one day prior two eating and it looks like a normal.
The larger one shed and the smaller one has clowdy eyes so when that one sheds ill see. i cant post pics cause i dont have the digital till monday.

by the way is it against the rules to breed one utah caught wandring to a cb

can i buy a 1.1 garter pair of any type in utah or near really looking.
chris

>>i caught another larger one and it ate a large fuzzy but then it shed one day prior two eating and it looks like a normal.
>>The larger one shed and the smaller one has clowdy eyes so when that one sheds ill see. i cant post pics cause i dont have the digital till monday.

They sound like they are probably just normal wandering garter snakes. They can be highly varialbe in color.
I have found that the high elevation snakes are generally much browner like the ones I pictured than are the ones from the valleys.

>>by the way is it against the rules to breed one utah caught wandring to a cb

It is against the rules to breed any native Utah reptiles or amphibians without first obtaining a COR from the Division of Wildlife Resources

>>can i buy a 1.1 garter pair of any type in utah or near really looking.

You can breed any non-native species of garter snakes without a COR

do you know where i could find a pair

>>do you know where i could find a pair

Go to the bottom of the link below and type "garter" in the search box. It yielded 28 adds when I did it.
kingsnake classifieds

The most important thing is to get pictures and as much information as possible on the animals you want to buy.

Why are you in such a rush to get breeders?

Brian