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What would happen if you bred a T albino ball to a T- albino ball? Would you get double hets? If so what would happen if your bred the two double hets together and got both t and t- gene to show up at the same time? Has it happened yet? Thanks

Joe Ellis

I haven't heard of anyone making the cross yet.

I bred a 66% chance het caramel male to a 50% chance het albino girl this year and produced only 1.5 normal but of course I could have missed on one or both possible het parents or even the combination with only 6 eggs.

I'd love to see the cross between presumed unrelated lines of each morph to test if they could possibly be alleles and not unrelated/incompatible morphs as assumed.

I've heard that one of the original imported caramels is apparently het albino. Certainly that could just happen by chance but it lead me to develop a weird theory that albino and caramel might be alleles, different mutations of the same gene. If they where both mutations of the same gene then a double het albino and caramel would have no normal copies of that gene and probably wouldn't look normal. It might look intermediate between the two - like a really nice caramel. The only good test to eliminate or support this theory would be to breed a caramel from a line not known to carry albino to an albino from a line not known to have any caramel ancestors and see if you get any normal looking babies or not.

I suspect the cross hasn't been made yet (unless someone is keeping it secret) because most people (including myself) have traditionally assumed the mutations incompatible and that the combo would be a waste with albino covering caramel so no one is in a hurry to risk sacrificing an albino girl's production for the year to make the original cross. However, as albinos become less expensive the difference between using an albino girl to make albinos and using her to make at worst normal looking double het caramel albinos is worth the shot at perhaps making all caramel looking double hets.

I read too quick and thought you where talking about caramel rather than "T plus" aka lavender albino. You can't get the "plus" symbol to post here for some reason.

Ralph’s sample size is small and could just be bad luck but of course worth keeping an eye out just in case there is some weird reason lavender and albino aren't compatible.

"" bred a 66% chance het caramel male to a 50% chance het albino girl this year and produced only 1.5 normal but of course I could have missed on one or both possible het parents or even the combination with only 6 eggs.""

Hey Randy,i just saw my second pair locked up yesterday(my first year).
The only two males i am using this year are 50%/het/Caramel (brothers).The second female is 66%/het/albino.
(The first female looks a little red )

Pic is of the smaller brother that is with the 66%/T- girl.

...talk about against the odds though,lol.

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Charles Glaspie

I beleive Ralph Davis has tried for the past few years to get a clutch from such a pairing and failed to get eggs!

Check out his breeding page for more info.

It might be that this genetic combo is lethal!!!