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Just wanted to share a pic of two gorgeous animals. I have heard a couple people mention that the Mojave is the same as a Lesser Platinum. While they hold similar characteristics with their pattern and to some extent their blushing, I see quite a different picture when I look at the offspring from the two morphs that we produced this year. The Lessers tend to have more extreme blushing and a more yellowish hue. Some of them have a neon brightness to this yellow coloration and all of them have a more faded color on the banding areas.
I think they are both top notch animals and the future crosses with them are going to be phenominal.

Thanks for looking,

Jack

Jack
They are awesome. You have some great looking pythons.

DragonDavy

Lesser or Mojave?

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Mark,

That is a very nice looking animal. I would like to see it up next to one of my Lessers. It almost appears to be a Pastel/Mojave but it doesn't have enough blushing on the head. Either way a very nice animal for sure. Thanks for sharing!

Check out this little cutie! She has only shed once so I'm certain her colors are going to be coming in many times more vibrant than in this photo with each successive shed.

he is a Mojave! I have a group of normal females that I first started collecting from one particular giant female. She seems to always throw high yellow normals and I figured that it would help compliment the Mojave.

Funny thing is, is that I only got one clutch from any of her daughters last year (the rest are ready this year). She was bred both to a pastel and a mojave. I ended up getting a mixed clutch. 1.0 pastel, 2.0 mojave's and the rest normals. Both the mojave's were outstanding as was the pastel.

She is being bred exclusively to the mojave this year.

Thanks again!

Mark
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Man wish I had one.
They look nice.

DragonDavy

Yeap it is a sweet one. Thanks

"The Lessers tend to have more extreme blushing and a more yellowish hue. Some of them have a neon brightness to this yellow coloration and all of them have a more faded color on the banding areas."

Is your original lesser an offspring of the platinum?

I'm wondering if being het for the dilute gene that I think the platinum is homozygous for makes some lessers lighter than ones further removed from the platinum that might not even have the dilute gene. Do your lessers fall into two distinct levels of brightness or is there a continuum of brightness perhaps indicating several genes and perhaps even non-genetic factors contributing to how bright a lesser is?

Ahh,good point.
Brings those silver pastels to mind..
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Charles Glaspie

Hey Randy,

Our breeder Lessers are direct from the Platty Daddy and they are '02's. That is a good point about the dilute gene. There is so much more to prove out with this morph and that's why it makes it an exciting project to be working with.
We will be attempting to make some crosses with our breeding group this coming season. We made a couple of Lemon Pastel Lessers last season and they are phenominal. I think that when you add this in with the Platty Daddy they are going to be that much more stunning.
We will also be making Ghost Lessers this coming season. We have some male Lessers het Ghost that we produced last season and they are growing fast and we expect them to be breeding by March.
We bombed on the Spider Lesser last season, one female absorbed her folicles and the other laid 6 slugs......depressing to say the least!
But I must say that it's all about the Platty Daddy and we have a good chance at making those as well this season if our female Lesser cooperates. The kicker is she might throw a white snake in the mix to make it interesting, but that is just an extra bonus to what this morph can produce.

Our Lessers have a diverse range of brightness and there could be some hidden Genetics within the Lesser Gene at play here but also, like most other morphs, there is a wide variation that is a contributing factor by the normal females that produced them.

It's my belief that the Platty Daddy gene is carried in all Lessers and not just the Platty Daddy. No matter how far removed from the original Platty Sire you are. My reasoning is this: The Lesser sibs that were bred together by RD produced no visual morphs out of 4 clutches. To me this means that the dilution gene is not what we would normally condsider a heterozygous trait then. My theory is that the trait is in all Lesser offspring wether it be a Platty, Lesser or normal appearing sib. The only way to obtain the visual representation then is to breed the Lesser or Platty back to the normal appearing sibs and of course Lesser to Lesser as well as Platty to Lesser. So the dilution gene is a form of a hidden trait that we do not yet fully understand.

My theory could be full of holes but at least it's out there on the table and we will see within the next couple of seasons if it has any validity.

They do look very similar, And thats what I stated A few days ago. Nice looking Snakes.

Both snakes are a color morph...so yes...their pattern will look the same....but look at the colors...very different...even more as they age and in person....
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

I think the similarities between the hets are the patterns; a tendency to be broad patterned with fading and I believe also wide white bellies (perhaps the key). The variation in color might be the same genes that vary the color in "normals" (still genetic, just not well understood).

they only look different in photos.....LOL!

Very nice animals.
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Chad Bachman

IMHO the Lesser is 10 times better than any Mojave........period! One of my favourite mutations.

Nice looking snakes.
Corey

It produced a lucy! Then mojave x mojave produced a lucy. So, are they even more similar than just similar patterns? I said they look similar, they do in my opinion, which you just can't argue opinion(or taste-lol). Looking at traits that can vary in color, look at hypo boas, readily availabe for all to see in person. They can be dark and ugly, or light with reduced/abberant patterns. So, side by side they'd look like two totally different traits(with similarities), but breed either one to an albino, get dh sunglows, either one to an anerythristic, get dh ghost. The look of the animal may differ, but the trait is the same. The post to which I think you decided to reply to had a point. The cost of a pair of one type can buy you one of the other type, both can produce lucys....financially speaking, which would you pick? What do these lucys do when bred....nobody knows yet, that may change many things. But, if all you want is a lucy, he was right. Take care

The Lavender Albino looks similar to the T negative Albino as well in some people's opinion, but you can be assured that for that little bit of Lavender coloration you will be paying 10 times the amount over the other. 20k for a Lavender last year and probably close to that this year. So the real arguement here is rarity. How many Lavender's are out there and whose got them over how many T negative Albino's. Same goes for the Lesser and Mojave. A ton of Mojaves out there and only limited numbers of Lessers.
Also, as we all now know, that any little nuances, even in normal appearing balls, can produce some awesome morphs, like Lucy's. We all are now looking for these little markers in every batch of balls that come in. It can be clear belly, yellow belly, side or belly stripes and a host of other distinctions.
I like both the Mojave and the Lesser. I just prefer the Lesser for what it can do over the Mojave. The reason I bought into the Lesser project was to produce a Platty Daddy and when they started popping out white snakes I thought it was just an added bonus.
Plus I give some value to the Normal appearing Lesser sibs becasue of their ability to be gene carriers in producing the Platty Daddy's. I don't think the same can be said about the Normal appearing Mojave sibs.
Either way I have both and value them as a high assest in my collection but of course at different values.