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To the best of my knowledge both parents were pure Pueblan but now I suspect they weren't. Does this snake look like a Pueblan or some type of hybrid?

Looks like a Mexican milk to me. But I'm no expert.

Nope. Not a Mexican. The belly pattern is totally different than that of Mexican Milks.

n/p

Scott Ballard

Band count is way too high. About 21 to vent. Typical is 13 to 15 to vent. The nose is too long and triangular. More tapered neck then pueblans. The color is faded too much in the red area for a juvenile. It has a look of arcifera but not quite there. I would call it a cross of some kind. Ric Blair

>>Band count is way too high. About 21 to vent. Typical is 13 to 15 to vent. The nose is too long and triangular. More tapered neck then pueblans. The color is faded too much in the red area for a juvenile. It has a look of arcifera but not quite there. I would call it a cross of some kind. Ric Blair

Hi Ric,

Good to see you on the forum. Hope all is well. I haven't forgotten the hypoerythristic pyros I still owe you! Maybe this season.

peace
terry

I am in no hurry, so no pressure. When it happens that will be great. Thanks...Ric Blair

looks like a Nelsonsi X Pueblan intergrade.

Acually nelsoni and campbelli don't even intergrade?So that couldn't be it unless its a hybrid?
It could be a pueblan x arcifera?
The white bands are way to narrow to be campbelli the red band count is at the very top of the limit for that ssp.

Anyways,Its hard to say?

L8r

shannon

i thought they did, ive seen ads for nelsoni X campbelli intergrades, even the AAA site had one displayed on their site.
well i'm no milk expert.

sub species of the same species over lap in the wild and breed with one another.They are still true to form but will usually show a little of both subs?
Pueblans (l.t.campbelli) and nelsons (l.t.nelsoni) don't intergrade in the wild.This is not to say they won't breed.They are both Lampropeltis Triangulum.

Hope this helps,

shannon

Thanx, Ric Blair (hope i spell it right) explained it to me, i should have said cross not intergrade. so now i understand what you meant. and i do very much understand your position on hybrids. i just like the appearance of certain hybrids.

I think it's an alien disguised as a Milksnake. Actually, that's absurd. It's probably just an alien Milksnake.

Chris
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Another shot of him.

Perhaps a belly photo would help indentify this little guy.

Chris
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Here you go.

Here's his sister.

There is definitely Pueblan in there. not sure what else but Pueblan is surely present in the genetics

Yes. The black/white bands do seem to be a bit thicker in her -- more like a Pueblan.

However...I was told that this male was a true "stand out" from the original clutch. Not all offspring looked like him. And both parents were purchased as 100% Pueblan. Is it possible that this really is a 100% Pueblan...just a really freaky one? Genetic anomoly? Locality?

It just seems to me that if both parents were sold as "Pueblans" and purchased at the same time from the same source, they probably WERE Pueblans. Otherwise they would've been labeled differently...correct? And if most offspring looked like "true" Pueblans, perhaps it's possible that this little guy just caught an odd gene somewhere. And since both parents were purchased from the same source, it's possible that both were related. "Simple recessive" comes to mind.

Who knows?

Chris =/
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"I don't know about you...but I find comfort in that." -- Cowboy

well, i'm not milksnake genetic expert, but i think it is possible that the snake could have been an oddball i've seen an orange aberrant snake hatch from two normal sinaloan parents. so who knows.

I'd really like to know what these are.
Thanks.

...but what do I know? I'm a newbie. I think it looks like a Black Milksnake that doesn't want to turn black. You should contact whoever sold you the original parents and ask them to verify the species sold. They're bound to keep records...right?

Invested & Curious,
Chris =)
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it looks like sinaloan/annulata to me. i have seen some and they look quite a bit like that.