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PIT Tagging - NEED Adverse Effects Information

saffire Jan 07, 2005 07:09 PM

You may have read the message below about OHIO PRESS - TAGS - if not go read the article please.

Ohio is the only state to have this - The ODNR guys think it is the best managment program in the country, however a lot of herpers are seeing the negative impact on the pit tagging - that being DEATH of their animals. Unfortionally, we have not done as good of a job collecting our data as they have. Hence it is all word of mouth and not a lot to back it up. Some effort is being made in this area - but much more needs to happen if we are to sway the decision regarding the effectiveness of this method.

PLEASE RESPOND with any information you have regarding any tracking that has been done PRO or CON regarding the effects of PIT tagging. I am also very interested in collecting stories, etc. regarding adverse effects beyond the actual issues of the tag - for example - hearing more people saying I won't take in rescues for fear of ......, or I got rid of all my native breeding projects - to hell with conservation if they are going to make me kill them by tagging them, or I am hearing peoples fears of getting caught breaking the law - they don't know so now they are releasing animals or trashing them....... Etc. These examples although don't show exact problems with the PIT -they still show adverse effects of this law and its attempts to diminish negative effects on the animals.

THANKS for your time - Give me your information and stories and I will try to serve as a clearing house and collection point.

We are thinking of developing an anonomous survey tracking sheet for reporting information also - will forward information as developed.

Replies (3)

joeysgreen Jan 08, 2005 08:29 AM

I couldn't find the article but I have to ask if PIT tagging is american wordage for microchipping? If so I can't imagine any adverse effects on any but the tiniest herptiles. My experience is as an animal health technologist, and mostly chipping mammals, but the principle is the same in herps.

saffire Jan 08, 2005 10:56 AM

PLAIN DEALER (Cleveland, Ohio) 28 December 04 Playing tag with wildlife (Rena A. Koontz)
That snake your son found and is keeping as a pet could be illegal.
The Ohio Department of Natural Resources, in an effort to protect endangered species, wants all snakes, lizards, turtles, frogs, salamanders and wood turtles native to Ohio tagged and licensed.
The regulation has landed local collectors in court for wildlife violations and irked snake enthusiasts, who say the requirement is deadly.
The state Division of Wildlife regulates the sale and possession of endangered reptiles and amphibians by requiring that reptiles - including snakes more than 18 inches long - be injected with a PIT tag.
The acronym stands for passive integrated transponder; it's similar to identification tags used on dogs and cats.
Ron Ollis, ODNR law enforcement officer, said the law is designed to protect endangered species from illegal collection and sales.
Mike Hazey, 42, knew about the ODNR regulations but said he was surprised when agents knocked on his Brunswick door. Hazey owns about 80 snakes that he often exhibits.
His collection of poisonous and nonpoisonous reptiles recently landed him in Medina Municipal Court, charged with a misdemeanor wildlife violation.
The needle used to inject the snakes is invasive and endangers the reptiles, Hazey said.
And, on principle, he objects to the regulations.
"It's a little like the gun regulations," Hazey said. "The law-abiding citizens will get their permits, but the bad guys, the ones who really need to be caught, won't." By the time Hazey appeared before Judge Dale Chase in October, all but his four venomous snakes had their PIT tags. Chase fined him $250 and gave him until the end of the year to comply, which he did last month. He said one snake died shortly after the procedure.
Many reptile collectors and hobbyists take issue with the regulations. They agree native Ohio reptiles need protection but say the law misses its mark. Ohio is the only state that requires PIT tags.
"The very people who are supposed to be protecting them are killing them," said Terry Wilkins, director of the International Herps Lobby. His group says that infections result from the tagging or that the tag could break free and float through the snake's body.
Wilkins unsuccessfully challenged the law before Franklin County Environmental Judge Harlan Hale in October. Now, his lobbying group is pushing legislators to rewrite it.
Wilkins said studies show the tags result in low reproduction rates and have caused cancer and other health problems in the reptiles. "The tags were intended for use on mammals, and even then, they don't stay put. Tagging a snake is like leaving a floating metal object in its body."
Dr. Rob Nathan of the Sharon Center Veterinary Hospital, which handles exotic animals, said problems with the chip could result from improper injection.
"If put in properly, they should not migrate," he said. "But can they travel? Absolutely. I have seen them move, but typically they should not move."
Like Hazey, Wilkins has been fined for his private collection and the animals he sells in his pet store. People who find snakes and box turtles and keep them as pets are also subject to the ODNR regulations, which Wilkins doubts most people know.
Hazey houses his newly tagged snakes in a specially renovated temperature-controlled room lined with glass cages.
"I'm waiting for the agents to come back to check the tags," Hazey said. Chuckling, he added, "I'm going to make them open the rattlesnake cages."

WCHS (Charleston-Huntington, W.Virginia) 28 December 04 Snake, frog enthusiasts think licensing law a pain
Cleveland: A state requirement to tag and license cold-blooded creatures such as some snakes that are native to Ohio is irritating collectors of the animals.
The Ohio Department of Natural Resources passed the regulation to protect endangered species from illegal collection and sales.
Now the state requires endangered reptiles and amphibians to be injected with a passive integrated transponder, or PIT. The device is similar to identification tags used on dogs and cats.
Some owners of the animals say they're worried the device could injure the creatures. Plus, they say the bad guys won't follow the law anyway.
A group of enthusiasts is trying to get lawmakers to change the law.
http://www.wchstv.com/newsroom/oh/news8.shtml
Playing tag with wildlife

joeysgreen Jan 11, 2005 06:41 AM

I don't really have an opinion as to how effective this law is, but as for the use of PIT tags being harmfull to the reptiles I will disagree to. Even if the tag's "migrate" from the original position they are not harmfull and eventually adhere to the surrounding tissue.

I think that most instances of death (esp. that guy with the 80 snakes where the snake died shortly after) are of improper technique. The larger needle (i believe is a 16 or 14ga) can cause damage if inserted into various organs.

In many places PIT tags are only given by veterinarians for this reason.

As for long term studies on reptiles vs mammals with PIT tags, I don't think that it can be ruled out that the complaints of reduced reproduction ect. arn't attributed to the more likely cause of inadequate husbandry.

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