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There is no way in my feeble little mind that I can understand why sunglows are the prices they are. Dont get me wrong they are some real stunners out there, but I have seen some albinos lately that look almost as good as sunglows. When does an animal that is produced with a codominant/dominant and a recessive trait command the same price as the snow boa which is a lot more difficult (time wise as far as breeding trials) to produce.

As far as I can see there were a "million" sunglows produced this past year, with an equal amount DH sunglows. This market will collapse given the sheer quantity of sunglows that will be produced in the future. Please correct me if Im wrong, I just dont see spending 6-8 thousand on a sunglow when I can buy an awesome coral or whatever albino at around three thousand.

I dont know, just trying to start some friendly arguements, lol.

Feel free to correct me and guide me into the light...

Thanks
Bob

With Snow boas being produced by double hets, and average is 1 snow per 16 babies, They are much harder to come by than a sunglow. But that is the way the morph craze goes, At this moment Sunglow are popular, and next year when the price drops drasticaly people won't breed them once they drop too far, and then snows will become popular again, unless something else pops up thats easier to breed, and the new thing on the block. Its strange cause, Arabesques are co/dom trait, as well as Motley, but for some reason they have stayed up in price, while the Salmon/hypo have droped down to >$350. I guess its just the way the morph craze goes....But I agree with you there market is and will be flooded and the price will drasticaly drop. THat is until a few years down the road, when less people are breeding them cause they are not the hot thing, and then the price might go back up a little, after bottoming out. It almost happens with every morph.
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But then again that is the way the economic flow always goes, whether it is snakes or any other product sold in the market. I guess it is nice to know that the 15 credits in Economics I have taken over the years pertains to my favorite hobby.

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Bob

It all comes down to supply and demand, Robert. We did see the effects of it this year. At the begining of the year it was $1500 for dh sunglows and $6000 for a sunglow. Now dh's are around $1000 and i've seen a few adds for $4500-$5000 on the sunglows. Because of the mass of dh's and sunglows produced this year.

I think in the long run snows may hold thier price a little better due to it being double recesive, but personally I think that sunglows are much prettier. Which I think is the general feeling out there. which is keeping the price higher on the sunglows.

I remember when I went to the show in PA back in 2002 I think it was, the albinos were selling for $800 bucks. Then in Jan. 2004 I was e-mailing everyone trying to see what the albinos were going to be selling for and they opened at about $1500. Then late 2004 saw about a $1000 average on albinos. Sunglows are being produced in large numbers this season...just a hunch. It may meen a good oportunity to pick one up at a lower price.

My knowledge of genetics results is very limited... if you take a DH sunglow and breed it to a hypo are all the babies DH sunglow? If so then I think the albino market will also suffer this coming year. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks Andy

DH Sunglow to a hypo would yield both hypos (poss. supers, and co-dom) 50% poss het albino. As well as normal 50% het albino.

The only way to get definate hets is for one of the parents to be some sort of albino (regular, sunglow, snow, arabeque sunglow, motley albino, stripe albino, pastel albino, or coral albino etc.)

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Every single last one of them. I guess theres an @$$ for every seat though, so they sell. I'll wait 5 more years to get an albino boa. By that time they'll be selling in pet shops for $249.99. Just like all the designer burms, the market will be flooded because everyone and their mother is breeding them, and the price will drop.

Are these breeders actually getting this amount? I hope they are! Beautiful animals-might as well be a million dollars as far as I'm concerned-but dang nice to look at on the forum!

some of the sunglows ive seen are smoken in color,have you seen any of BurkeReptiles (lipstick sunglows)and then you have snows that are very dull yellow, when they get older,this is not to offend anyone,i like all boas,and happen to like sunglows more and think the price is just fine where there at,Greg

IMO i think ghosts should be the same price as sunglows as it is pretty much the same mix of genes

but yet ghosts are relatively cheap in comparrison to sunglows

i for 1 love ghosts and will have 1 soon and breed for more.

i guess there are possitives to living in canada as salmons and hypos's are still around $800 here, albino's are still $1500 but for the average joe it will be quite some time b4 they can afford any morph, anery's here are around $700

have a nice day
Creep

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I think that the sunglows blow the normal albinos to kingdom come. I can't wait until the coral albinos become more sunglow like.

As for price...I feel that the price cap should be around $500 for the high end boas out there. I can't even begin to comprehend the $10,000-$20,000 snakes out there.

Now don't get me wrong, I'd definately consider myself a boa person and not a python person. But IMO, the albino burmese is way nicer looking than the albino boa and a heck of alot cheaper. The problem, is that they get way too large for my tastes.

How long do you think that it will be before you can get an albino bci for under $200?

Jon

Is my prediction for albino boas to drop down to around $200-$300. Maybe sooner than 5 years, but that is just for "normal" albinos. The other morphs will most likely drop a lot, but not enough to make me buy one. After all, its just a snake lol.

That is what a lot of people said 5 yrs. ago, me being one of them. In 2001 I was actually offered pairs of albinos for $800. I pased because I thought they were going to drop dramatically, my bad. Craig

of all the OTHER morphs that people wanted to cross with the albino gene. They automatically became more valuable. But now with sooooooooo may people breeding them.....a crash is inevitable.

I agree with you, not just with Sunglows, but with all the morphs that are no longer "one of a kind" It's really ridiculous in the Ball Python world. A few principles - one, what someone advertises as a price doesn't mean it will sell for that and that doesn't establish it's value - two, what a snake may be worth when there is just one in the world is not what they'll be worth when there are a dozen, and then next year a hundred, and then next year 500- and three, there are lots of breeders that sit on their high priced morph they could have sold this year, only to find they can't sell it for half that next year. MDH