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First let me cite Thane:

"I'm curious to hear what your theories are as to why a generally well to do, affluent population like America has (in general) are not reproducing. And why are lower income, less educated groups "breeding like rabbits" so to speak ? What do you see as the possible results of this trend ? What do you think are some of the main causes of this trend ? What should be done, or NOT done (if anything) ? This is actually a very interesting topic and I have my OWN ideas, but would rather hear some OTHERS ideas before I even start this in depth topic. Go....."

Several weeks ago the manager of the German Institute for Economical Research (IFO Institut), Mr. Sinn, presented a statistic who says that getting babies has become a domain of the stupid ones in the meantime.
Women with a university education are rarely getting babies because job and career are their main objective. Children are regarded as a disturbing factor in a career.

Since intelligence is passed as a factor of genetic inheritance from the parents to the children this issue will lead to a sultification of the population in the long run.

High birth rates are determined in the lower class people with low education and asocial tendencies, foreign workers from Turkey, asylum seekers from islamic countries and immigrants from the former states of the USSR with German ancestry. The last ones often don't speak the German language, are highly criminal and addicted to alcohol.

Not a very good prospect for the future...

The reasons for high birth rates in my opinion:

Mumslims: Their religion and tradition
Low class and immigrants: Carelessness, lack of knowledge in contraception, tradition (immigrants).
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Several weeks ago the manager of the German Institute for Economical Research (IFO Institut), Mr. Sinn, presented a

statistic who says that getting babies has become a domain of the stupid ones in the meantime.

(ME)Or those of us that know we may be bred out of existence BY the stupid

Women with a university education are rarely getting babies because job and career are their main objective. Children are
regarded as a disturbing factor in a career.

(ME)Well, you wouldn't want to ruin a good career with some snot nosed brat taking up all your time. I mean, everyone in a
civilised society KNOWS that career and self fulfillment are what's REALLY important. Who needs some brat ruining an art
gallery and museum browsing and coffeeshop hobby ? I'd never have time to spend with my friends or take a nice vacation or
see the game. (sarcastic tone ).

Since intelligence is passed as a factor of genetic inheritance from the parents to the children this issue will lead to a
sultification of the population in the long run.

High birth rates are determined in the lower class people with low education and asocial tendencies, foreign workers from

Turkey, asylum seekers from islamic countries and immigrants from the former states of the USSR with German ancestry. The

last ones often don't speak the German language, are highly criminal and addicted to alcohol.

Not a very good prospect for the future...

(ME)So, what we are seeing is a trend AGAINST education and intelligence in the overall populations in affluent countries ?
I THINK this is what you're saying and it seems this way to ME too.

The reasons for high birth rates in my opinion:

Mumslims: Their religion and tradition
Low class and immigrants: Carelessness, lack of knowledge in contraception, tradition (immigrants).

(ME)So, the population dynamics are changing with respect to time (naturally). Looks like intelligence may not be such a fit
characteristic ? Intelligence leads to education. Education leads to affluence. Affluence leads to . . . ? A group of people too dependant on "me time" ? So wrapped up in "right now" their life and career to reproduce ? More questions.
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Thane

A word of caution on your English H E. People who are not able to acheive education on the level of more "affluent" societies are not "stupid". The proper term is ignorant-which is not their fault. The difference is you cannot educate stupid people.

That is the problem with putting people into CLASSES. That is a strictly financial based determination of a peoples value. Many people of superior IQ are born to what you would call Lower Class.

While your basic concept is pretty right on beware of labeling.

Frank
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Frank, I agree with your but this was not was Mr. Sinn said.

He hasn't used the word "ignorant" (unwissend) but "stupid" (dumm).

Such a rough language is often used in Germany to pose things in a drastic way. See it as a kind of catchword although it would be regarded as terribly political incorrect in the U.S.

By the way, 1 hour of German television would cause at least 100 million of scandalized callers if broadcasted in the U.S.
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Allright, here we go. In my own unofficial case study of my surroundings, I dont think the "uneducated" "poor" are going to outbreed the "rich" affluent" and become a societally(is that a word) strong influence. The poor uneducated do tend to have more kids earlier. The educated tend to wait later in life to have kids until they can afford to have them, but have fewer children. However, growing up in a poor uneducated household, many tend to only aspire to working at Walmart or a grocery store. Once they have that, which gives them enough money to survive, not much more is expected. The ones who do go on to want more in life eventually join the "affluent" class. Education is not always a prerequsite for affluency. Growing up in an educated, wealthy family, or even middle class, generally more is expected from you. Even if the poor outbreed the rich in numbers, I dont think it will have a large enough societal impact.

EP
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Your kind of overlooking one thing. Being in a microcossum of what we are talking about, I have had the chance to watch the progression first hand. In a Democracy, Larger numbers of children mean more voters-and the lower income classes do vote. Who do they vote for? Whenever possible someone from their own ethnic group.

The largest growing population in the country is Hispanic. Allready in my state they have elected Hispanics to many of the key positions Judges,Mayors, Senators, Congressmen. As the population of white and Black America are out bred percentage wise, this trend will continue.

Don't forget marrages between the races are further blending our society.

That is why it is inevidable that third world cultures will eventually dominate.

Frank

Frank
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