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A while back DFR was worried about my "FAT" Ball Python bully'n my little anaconda around. Well I think now my little conda can hold its own. These two snakes are best of buddies. Its funny watching them ineract together in the cage.

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GOD,I LOVE ANACONDAS!!!!! Eric aka Mr.A

` Your Ball is still fat. lol Mine gets less attention than the others so he gets fat, too.
` I accidentally gave them a buffet lunch, recently. The Ball was first, Anaconda last. I think my Ball is possessed by the ancient and evil Chinese demon of gluttony, Chow Down.

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Do the Anaconda and Royal stay together in the same cage? And is that a Boa in beside them? Basically i'm asking if the 3 are housed together permenently and if so for how long have they been together?

` Sorry, I've been away, just catching up, now.
` I have 3 Yellow Anacondas only, who are suited to a community, all males.
` I have several other Anacondas which I wouldn't consider housing with any other living critter. Their health is fine, but their feeding response is much too aggressive. They might not try to eat another snake, but I don't want to find out.
` The three who are suitable to cohabitation live with a beautiful pink B.c.i., and a stringy, tough old Ball Python.
` One of the Anacondas was a rescue which I sold originally as a baby. He was kept in a 55 gallon aquarium half filled with septic water with just a cinder block to get up on. He was covered with sores and hadn't eaten for almost a year. I cured his sores, but he wouldn't eat for me. I do not force feed, if they must die, so be it. Finally, I put him in the community, and let him watch the others eat for a couple of months. He would just sit there and watch as the others ate several rats each. Finally, he got interested at feeding time and started to eat. I firmly believe he would have died had he not been exposed to the others hearty appetites. Today, 4 years later, he's still undersized, timid, and mild, but he's the first Anaconda up for food, when I feed. Also, he hand feeds, doesn't strike, nor constrict. I usually lay out a few rats for him, and he takes his time going from one to the other before he picks one out. Once he's eaten that first one, you could feed him doorknobs, he'll take anything.
` The Boa is about to mature, and he has a very pink, and hot I hope, Ronne pastel X EBV Red Group female waiting for him.
` The old Ball has been around for years. My daughter kept him for a couple of years. She wore him around her neck while she taught English! That was one teacher who had her class's attention! He doesn't care about anything. He especially likes fingers, if they smell like food. I expect him to outlive me by a bunch.
` They've all lived together for 6 years, now. NONE of my other snakes live together, NONE! And, I've got quite a few. These five have temperament which has let them live together. Besides, the community is very maintenance intensive, I couldn't handle another. I DO NOT recommend you try this. Just enjoy the pix.

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` ...most folks who have problems with Balls do not give them enough humidity. That dry savannah idea is baloney.
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Stop the world-I want to get off!

Thanks for the reply.

I have an annie as well but his feeding response is quite intense, to the point of being scary sometimes. That is why I was surprised to see them living together, I just would never be able to do that with mine but as you stated, its all about knowing your animals.

OK, got a question. Do you ever have a problem with any one of them thinking one of the others is an after dinner snak? Not laughin' here, I have two retics that, if left in the same tank during dinner time, will attack each other simply because the smell of the rat is on the other. Like tryin' to break apart Pit Bulls.

My appologies for climbin' into somethin' I know nothing about.

Too bad there is no one to report this to. I feel so bad for those snakes.

Just dumb, and assinine keeping. Yeah, I could see why there are laws proctecting herps - It's keepers like you, that make it difficult for the rest of us responsible keepers. Just not a smart practice!
-Angel
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"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
-Henry Miller.

I think you have some of the healthiest looking snakes on the boards..This guy whos slamming you is posting this on other forums as well as this one..He seems to have some major snake up his butt..Maybe its parasites and he needs get a fecal done.
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Stop the world-I want to get off!

Wow, damn, I thnk peeps need to keep thier mouths shut and know who they are talking to before they go slamming like that! Aside from Kelly I'd say DFR is one of the most RESPONSABLE snake keepers in here!!!
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Crazy ZooLady

` I've been off the boards for a few days, up in the Marble Mountains. What a mess my pix have caused.
` I found many examples of reptiles coexisting, while fighting the winter. Turn over the right log, and you'll find Saurians and Serpentes, piled up together, along with lots of bugs. Perhaps it's too cold for them to consider eating each other. They surely didn't mind trying to eat me. lol The lizard in the picture was the only reptile who was active in the cold.
` There are always going to be those folks who denounce anything they can't do themselves. And, that's not a bad thing. Those who don't have the experience, and the time to invest, shouldn't try communal housing of snakes. The critters will surely suffer. The gentleman who feels sorry for my critters certainly has enough empathy for his charges not to risk overextending himself in his own husbandry. Good for him. Just don't hook your own shortcomings to me, thank you very much.
` These types surely know their own limitations, and don't attempt advanced herpetoculture, and that's a good thing. It is just too bad that it just pisses them off when they see something beyond their own scope.
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Stop the world-I want to get off!

I wouldn't consider communal housing more advanced husbandry though, just different. My opinion of course.
That's a beautiful boa constrictor, I'd say my favorite of the three.

Advanced herpetoculture. Oh man! thats hilarious!

Oh, had to respond to your Alligator Lizard pics!! I used to do the same thing with them when I lived in CA as a kid!!! We had tons of those in our backyard. Anywhere from tiny newborns to 2 ft long! So fun.
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Crazy ZooLady

Its sad to see these pics still up. I just hope none of the newer members will see this as ok husbandry......
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While I am not one to house snakes together...you are looking upon something you know nothing about. It is obvious the people here are there to watch the snakes and you have no idea how these animals are housed permanantly. I would also like to mention this is NOT the ball python forum and there is somewhat of a level of respect in here among dedicated and experienced keepers. If you have an opinion or a question you can take it up with the individual. I would be curious to see what happens when what appear to be perfectly healthy snakes are reported. I am one who really hates to see people who are a danger to the hobby...but I have the common sense to look into a situation more than a few photos.

That may be all well and good, but even the most loving parent should make their kids clean their room and do their homework. Its just plain stupid to do what those photographs show.

Just because they seem healthy, and are thriving doesn't mean its smart keeping them that way. These snakes are bound to make a mistake someday. And keeping what will someday be a 200 pound monster with a ball python?? Poor little guy is gonna get squished.

Can't he at least feed them seperately????

Siegfried and Roy kept their white tigers for YEARS, and established a wonderful breeding program before one of them was mauled and nearly killed. Just when you think you've got them figured out.... WHAM. He's asking for trouble, and thats all there is to it. These are wild animals, not robotic animals who do whatever we want, and they need to be treated as such.

Seems several people have stuck up for this guy, so I'm willing to hear how his snakes are REALLY set up, but I still think there's a lot to be answered for here.

i hate to tell you Misskiwi67 but yellows dont get 300lbs. this is 1 of the reasons i barely ever post on ks. the anaconda forum is the only forum that is never negative until now. nobody needs or wants this bull[bleep] here.

I didn't say 300, I said 200. If a big burm can hit 200 pounds, an anaconda can do the same. I didn't say it was common, just that it could happen. If I'm exaggerating, I apologize, but so did you.

I wouldn't want a horse to sit on me, so I'm sure that poor little Ball Python doesn't want his "best buddy" to do so either.

A yellow anaconda will not reach 200. Sorry. I dont remember if the yellow in the picture is male or female but if it is male..I doubt it would even reach 50 lbs...and thats shooting high. Either way, this thread was way out of line.

This is the response I got from Rish when I POLITELY ASKED Rish about his photos a long time ago.

"Snakes are all individuals, just like people. If you're going to mix them ( and I advise against it ), you'd better know each critter VERY well. I have an unbreakable rule: I NEVER put unknown snakes together. Also, I never let someone handling another snake touch one of mine."

You all should be ashamed.

While I do not house snakes together (have been guilty of housing ATBs year around)...I am not disrespectfull to other keepers and would surely have my opinion and make sure I understand theirs. Why don't you all play in the venomous forum and pick on some kids wanting tameable venomoid gaboons or something.

I knew a guy who kept a Corn Snake and A King Snake together once........once......for a second or two.

I see my post was deleted and in my own defence,
I wasn't jumping on the guy
just giving my opinion based on past experiences... i thought it was common knowledge that different breeds from different continents don't mix.

i admit that i jumped the gun in assuming that they were all housed together.
still, keep the cornsnake eating cornsnake thing in mind when feeding them together... just watch them, that would go for any pair of snakes where one is larger than the other though, be they same or different species.
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Alexandria Neonakis
Owner of:
Olivia the Female Green Ig
Maize(f) and Onyx(m) the cornsnakes
Peter(m) and Lois(f) the Leopard Geckos

There was a thread somewhere where someone had housed a ball and a boa together and they had a series of photos of the ball in the boas stomach and then after the boa had thrown it up...even after I think it was an hour or so the stomach acids had already gotten to the ball....I just can't seem to find that thread....if anyone can help me out....not trying to flame...just tryin to find the pics...
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

The reality of the situation is that people are trying to get the point across that it's not a good idea to house them (if this is the case) and surely not feed them together. It's just a dumb idea.
It's like throwing lit fircrackers. Sure, it's fun, but when it doesn't go the way you envisioned, it sucks.
Realistically, who cares? let this guy/girl learn for themselves. Let them kill a couple of animals and see what tune he's singing.
I can only hope they post a pic of things going terribly wrong when it happens, because it will happen.

I think the pic's are neat. Prior to reading the long and crappy thread of posts following it I too was wondering if you keep them together. Everyone else is worried about the feeding, although I must admit the buffet style is a little odd. My thoughts were that of the ball python being from dry areas of Africa (in comparison to S.America anyways). Don't these critters require different habitats? In any case they do look happy.
I don't have balls (I snicker everytime I say that )so I don't know if yours is obese. Just thought I'd mention that in the long run, just like humans, obesity leads to an early death.

Thanks for sharing your pics, and although not asked for, I hope you take all these posts with a grain of salt, and take into consideration some of the points mentioned.

I dont know why I keep responding to this stuff but oh well. Anyway, ball pythons are from africa but this does not mean they are a dry animal. It is somewhat of a misconception. They are a tropical animal from coastal regions. The humidity differences between the 2 are next to none. To be honest, I bet the anaconda would do better in less humidity than the ball python. As far as feeding, Rich feeds likely less than anyone on all of KS lol. He is like a 6 time per year feeder I believe. He (as well as the majority of this forum) knows the dangers and shortened life in captivity due to obesity. While some people in here are somewhat new to nacondas, most are pretty experienced and educated keepers. This is why it can often get boring in here but its way better with the placid waters in here than the ball python forum which I am somewhat active in as well. I also like to go into the burmese forum where there are tons of people who are not capable of keeping their animals. That forum is in much more need of a good dose of reality than this one.

I've just been reading these posts, and this is rediculus. KS does not put forums on here to point out who is the best herper and does everything right. I mean people are all saying "you should be reported" and saying you feel sorry for the snakes and what not, and it's really not needed. eunectes4 does know a lot about snakes, and you just jump to say those things from seeing a picture. I understand why people are saying it and everything, but you really don't need to be rude about it, you could simply sum it all up in ONE post asking WHY, not just assuming and showing hostility. I've visited a lot of forums on KS and this one has always been the nicest one I've ever seen, so if you feel the need to be rude, don't do it here, or on any other forum for that matter, it's pointless. I'm just asking for people to be a little more polite when posting, not trying to get on anyones case or take sides.

~Ben

None of those photos are even mine. The two photos being targeted are Eric (Mr. Anaconda) and Rich's (DFR). I have no idea where they are right now lol. Maybe they have more common sense than I do and just stay out of it.

>>None of those photos are even mine. The two photos being targeted are Eric (Mr. Anaconda) and Rich's (DFR). I have no idea where they are right now lol. Maybe they have more common sense than I do and just stay out of it.

They are targetting Mr.Anacondas too????? WHY?! I must have misssed a photo somewhere cause I could swear Mr.Anaconda keeps all his separatley.... Could be wrong though?
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Crazy ZooLady

Yeah, that's actually the reason I go into the Burmese forums. Because of the two main groups of people there.

A. People with insane amounts of experience and committment I can learn a lot from, and

B. People who know so little that I have a sporting chance of possibly pointing them in the right direction, or offering common knowledge advice, or verbally bonking them on the head to hopefully jump start some innate common sense. (the third thing never seems to work )
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` The topic of this thread could easily be, " Who has the hardest head." LOL

` Just remember this: Trying to convince someone of their own stupidity is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It is a waste of your time, and it annoys the pig!

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Stop the world-I want to get off!

Loved your pics dfr, and admired you for being able to feed them like that. My girl is WAY too picky an eater to eat from my hand, or "buffet style" lol.
Matter of fact, I threw out her fogger a few weeks ago cause its time was up. She has been going crazy looking for food, but I have tried to feed her twoce and she refuses to eat until she has a new fogger! She has always been this way though.
Wish she was as easy to feed as yours are!
BTW, are you going to keep your ball in with your Conda when it is full grown? Or house it separetly? I dont know how big Yellows get......or how big Balls get either.. Stop thinking like that you perv. LOL
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Crazy ZooLady