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I was wandering about the hypo-pastels and leucistics as babies... does the entire clutch have crystal clear nails or do some have brownish color to them with some quick showing?

Just wandering as I purchased a females hypo-pastel that has clear nails but there is some dicoloration to them... Also do you know of anyone who has bred clear nailed snows to a hypo-pastel or a leucistic and what that produced as far as clear nails... I'm thinkng maybe that could be what happend witht the nail discoloration? Or is there some varriance within each clutch as far as that goes?

Thanks guys,
Robert
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Great spirits have always been recieved with violent opposition by mediocre minds. Albert Einstein

Hey Robert,
Well it can sometimes be hard to tell with Hypopastels because if you breed a het male to a homo female you get dark nail dragons and clear nailed dragons but sometimes you get ones that are hard to tell. I have one right now that has almost all clear nails but a few very very lightly pigmented nails on his hind legs. When he was young he looked like he was clear nailed but as he has aged it is really hard to tell. If I were you I would compare it to all of your other dragons and some het hypopastels and see where it falls on that continuum. From there you can attempt to make an educated guess but you will only really know once you breed her.

As far as the Snow X Hypopastel I know people that have done it but I don't really recall ever discussing any difference interested things with the nails to come out of that.

-Randy
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www.AlphaDragonZ.com

Ok, thanks for that now let me ask.... In the ones that you have that are clear nailed for sure is there a noticeable quick at all? at hatching up to say juvie stage and if so does it disappear? From what Sean is saying about the noticeable quick in the Lucys and the breeder saying that he bought one of his hypo-pastels from Kevin Dunee.. I'm starting to think that I've been lied to about the lineage... Pure hypo-pastels are NOT lucys X Hpyo-pastel... they are hypo-pastel X hypo-pastel... just trying to figure this out... Thanks for your input!

Later,
Robert
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Great spirits have always been recieved with violent opposition by mediocre minds. Albert Einstein

Yes there is a noticeable quick. It is pink. The part in front of the quick is transparent with maybe a little pink in it but for the most part transparent. I have attached a pic of my Snow Hypopastel you can see the color that a Hypopastel nails should be.
As far as buying a Hypopastel from Dragons Den that seems kind of weird because he does not sell any of his animals as hypopastels. He has lines that are genetically speaking hypopastels(Leucistics & Sunbursts) but he would never sell it as a hypopastel.
Let me know if I can answer anymore questions?

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www.AlphaDragonZ.com

Hey Robert,

Yes, I'm still alive lol, just been on vacation and haven't really felt like doing much of anything lately. Anyway, as you know I've bred my dark nailed Snow 100% het Leucistics and what I got was the majority dark nails and a few (25%) where the nails are definitely lighter (clear) but there is still a noticable quick to them. Both types hatched with a nice clean white background but the ones with clear nails had kind of redish brown markings instead of the dark grey/black ones that the dark nailed ones had. They've both lightened with each shed but none are pure white yet at 10 weeks old. This whole leucistic business is very frustrating with all the incorrect info out there, especially on Kevins site.
As far as the clear nail breedings go from what I understand the clear nail trait is simple recessive and completely on it's own so breeding a clear nail or het for clear nail with another should produce the predictable % of clear nails. While we're on the subject I think it's also possible to get an animal that is recessive leucistic clolor without being the recessive clear nail because skin color and nails are not dependent on each other but for now I'll keep selling them as snows.

Sean
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Heart Mountain Herps

Thanks Sean that is a big help!

Later,
Robert
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Great spirits have always been recieved with violent opposition by mediocre minds. Albert Einstein