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What happens if you breed a lemon pastel to a pastel, 25% normal, 25% super, and 50% ? are they pastel's or lemon pastels?

Thanks

They will be pastels...its the same gene....
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

25% will be normal
25% will be supers
50% will be pastel

This I understand, but my question pertains to the difference between a normal pastel and the lemon pastel. If the father is a lemon and the mother is normal pastel, will the 50% that comes out pastel, be lemon, normal pastel, or an intergrade. There is a big phenotypic difference between the pastel jungle and the lemon pastel jungle. The lemon apparently does not brown out at all, just yellow and black, whereas the pastel jungle on the top half of the body is a more orangeish brown color that darkens with age.

So, back to my original question, does anyone know phenotypically what the offspring will look like between a lemon pastel, and a normal pastel, the 50% that should be pastel, will they be the solid yellow and black like the lemon, or will they have the orangish/brown top half like the normal pastel jungle.

thanks.

There is no phenotypical difference...they are pastels....its as simple as that....I'm sorry you don't like my answer but its the truth...
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Luke Martin
Bronze Serpent Reptiles

I totally agree with you that their genes are the same. Their Genotype is the same. But there is a visible (phenotype) difference between the pastel and lemon pastel. The lemon pastel does not "Brown Out" as it gets older. I have a year and a half old pastel right now, and believe me there is a visible strip of light brown scales running along the top of her body, she is still nice and yellow on her sides. That is a phenotypical difference. One snake is pure yellow and black, the other is yellow, black and light brown (gold as some people like to say).

So, I am not arguing with you that the snakes have different genes, I believe you and agree with you. What I want to know is if you breed a Lemon to a Pastel, are the 50% that are not normals or supers, do they look like (Phenotype) the lemon or the pastel, or neither a combination of the two.

Thanks

Well, People one here probably do NOT know the answer to that and that is why they state the answers they do. I would assume if you bred a Lemon pastel to a normal pastel that you would get both types of pastels along with a super if you are lucky. But Again I would only be guessing since I have never bred a lemon pastel to a Normal pastel. I guess you could get nicer pastel babies. But who knows. Breed them and find out. Thanks David

Thanks David!

I am glad that you understand my question, I was a bit vague on my first post.

That is the plan, breed them and find out, should be exciting!!

Awesome Snake, how old?

My Snake Keeper line Pastel adults are 10 times better looking than my adult nerd Lemon. People may say that Lemon Pastels do not brown out but that's not true at all. I have a 3 year old male Lemon that is solid brown! The color of any type of pastel offspring is mainly determind by the normal parent. The better looking the normal parent is the better looking the Pastels will be. I've produced screaming Pastels from an ugly male Pastel X with a few super clean normals. I've also produce dark looking pastels from breeding a nice Pastel to a Hyper-melanistic. Moral is that there are both nice and ugly examples of both Lemon Pastels and normal Pastel out there.

Thanks,
Josh

Thanks Josh,

That was very helpful

I agree JOSH and have I have been told that by several other breeders as well. If you Breed any Of the pastel lines to dark muddy females your babies will not look as good as if your were to breed the same males to very nice high yellow clean females.
That is what I have always been told. I will find out this season because I have 3 lines of pastels that were breed to several different looking females(around 20) so I should get some interesting looking animals I will post my results when the hatch. Thanks DAVID

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

"What happens if you breed a lemon pastel to a pastel, 25% normal, 25% super, and 50% ? are they pastel's or lemon pastels?"

The result would be: 50% Pastels, 25% Super Pastels and 25% Wild Type or Normals they would be broken down like this:

The intergrade or mixing of the two pastel lines you are referring to takes place in the form of the 25% Super Pastels. (I am unsure what they look like but I assume it would be a blending of the two.

Of the 50% that would be pastels they would be evenly split as far as the number of Lemon Pastels vs. the number of "other" pastels that are produced.

25% would be completely normal.

Remember: the pastel trait is considered co-dominant (or incomplete dominant according to some) and anytime an animal carries two co-dom genes for the same morph (in other words is homozygous for that particular morph) you will end up with what is referred to as a "Super". Make sense?

I wish I could post a table on here to show you what I mean. Email me directly and I will type up a simple table along with an better explanation as soon as I get a chance.

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