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Not a NEW MORPH! picture, and a request.

snakepimp Jan 23, 2005 07:14 PM

Not actually any new morphs, but there is a picture....it's a wierd cal King I have. I don't know what he is, I will find out eventually, through breeding...

I am looking for a somewhat comprehensive list of Herp species being kept in captivity. I am designing captive husbandry management software, and I want my species selection to be as comprehensive as possible without ncluding too many obscure taxons that are not kept in captivity. Currently I am concentrating on Suborder Ophidia, but I want to include all of "reptilia" eventually. Any ideas?
This will eventuially be published as a web-accessible herp management database, with personalized accounts available for inventory tracking, breeding reports, genetic calculations, etc.

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Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
Breeding season is always just around the corner....JOY!!!

Replies (12)

Kerby... Jan 23, 2005 10:57 PM

Looks like a Lavender Cal King.

Breed it to another Lavender and see what you get.

Kerby...

jlassiter Jan 24, 2005 01:27 AM

I agree with Kerby. It looks like a lavender to me as well.
John Lassiter

HerperHelmz Jan 24, 2005 07:53 AM

Not that I need to, but I third that. lol, I just felt like posting, nice snake.
Mike
Michael's Place

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snakepimp Jan 24, 2005 08:00 AM

Admittedly, I am not a big king snake guy, so I have never seen a lavender Cal King, could someone post pictures of theirs, and maybe give me an idea where I can buy them? I can't find any on the classifieds right now.
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Jeremy J. Anderson
snakepimp.com
gemstatereptiles.com
Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
Breeding season is always just around the corner....JOY!!!

snakepimp Jan 24, 2005 08:06 AM

He has Dark Eyes, all of the "Lavender" cal kings I have found say that they're albinos...are the T with dark eyes?
Are they pink eyed?
His eyes are blue/black
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Jeremy J. Anderson
snakepimp.com
gemstatereptiles.com
Of course it's my opinion, I said it, didn't I?
Breeding season is always just around the corner....JOY!!!

Kerby... Jan 24, 2005 08:47 AM

Lavenders are easily available during late summer (new hatchlings) and are reasonably priced.

Since cal kings can be variable in color (brown to black) with (white/cream/yellow) bands, spots, stripes, etc..; then they can be quite variable when they are albino or lavender as well. So, not all lavenders look the same. They are both recessive genes, but are not compatible.

Kerby...

Kerby... Jan 24, 2005 08:55 AM

I have both dark ones and light ones.

A friend of mine has some adults that look almost like regular albinos, but they produce some of the darkest, purplish babies I've seen. Go figure.......

Here is a pic of a Lavender male bred to an Albino High White female from last year. They produced babies that are double hets (albinism & lavender).

Kerby...
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Aaron Jan 24, 2005 11:03 AM

Do you remember when Lloyd Lemke sold 2 kinds of Lavenders, JR strain and JD strain and they weren't compatable? One was lighter with yellower bands and the other was darker with cream bands, or perhaps the other way around. Nowadays I only ever see just plain Lavenders for sale like they are all compatible except on VIVID's website Tim says he bred a hypo looking Cal King to his Blue Eyed Blonds and all the babies came out normal. So Tim's could be another type of Lavender and there are at least 2 or 3 kinds of Lavenders out the with most of the old JR and JD strains now being compatable since they are all exhibiting one trait while being het for the other. Just curious as to your thoughts on this.

Kerby... Jan 24, 2005 02:10 PM

**Do you remember when Lloyd Lemke sold 2 kinds of Lavenders, JR strain and JD strain and they weren't compatable? One was lighter with yellower bands and the other was darker with cream bands, or perhaps the other way around. Nowadays I only ever see just plain Lavenders for sale like they are all compatible...**

If that were the case (and I'm not saying it isn't), then where is the other strain? Unless one strain is out there more than the other one?

**except on VIVID's website Tim says he bred a hypo looking Cal King to his Blue Eyed Blonds and all the babies came out normal.**

Which proves nothing except that his Blue-eyed Blondes is a recessive gene, which I agree with. He should have bred a Lavender to his Blue-eyed Blondes (producing normals that would be double hets), then I will be convinced that his Blue-eyed Blondes are a separate gene. IMO, until proven otherwise, I believe that his Blue-eyed Blondes are Lavenders. Of course, I've e-mailed him numerous times without a response, and 2 of my friends have e-mailed him numerous times without a response in trying to purchase a pair of his Blue-eyed Blondes.

**So Tim's could be another type of Lavender and there are at least 2 or 3 kinds of Lavenders out the with most of the old JR and JD strains now being compatable since they are all exhibiting one trait while being het for the other.**

That would not be true. If you bred 2 types of Lavenders together that weren't compatible, you would produce normal looking cal kings that were double hets(JR & JD strain),just like any other recessive genes. But since most people are buying siblings, then breeding them back to each other (1/16 would show both traits at the same time). So what would a cal king look like that would be showing both traits at the same time (JR & JD)? But I can see the situation getting muddier because I now have cal kings that are double hets (albino & lavender), and some more that are double hets (ghost & albino), and this year I will produce some more double hets (lavender & mendota) and (ghost & lavender). Now if I could just be able to buy a pair (1.1) of Blue-eyed Blondes.............

I do believe that VIVID's Blue-eyed Blonde is unique (and can be labled as such)IF IT WAS PROVEN BY BREEDING IT TO A LAVENDER TO SEE IF IT IS THE SAME GENE. Just like I'm sure that the Davis and Mendota are the same gene (melanistic), different locales. I will be breeding the Davis' to the Mendotas next year to prove that theory.

And I can see in the future a lot of double, triple, and quadruple het cal kings. So what would a cal king look like if it displayed these 4 traits at the same time....Albino-Lavender-Melanistic-Ghost??????

LOL

Kerby...

Aaron Jan 24, 2005 09:10 PM

I have collection of old price lists icluding some of Lloyd's with the 2 types of Lavenders. I was just curious, it is odd that there seem to be no more around. A friend of mine has 1.1 Blue Eyeds purchased directly from Tim, I have seen them in person and they are IMO most definately a morph. Whether they are compatable with common Lavenders I don't know. But I can say that the absolute brightest yellow I have seen on any Cal Kings is on the Carlsbads. Carlsbad is only about five miles from the Elfin Forest where Tim's Blonds came from. The yellow is screamin' on the Blonds I saw and I could easily see the same Lavender gene producing brighter snakes if Tim used the best yellow Carlsbad-area snakes to develop his Blonds. I think some of the Newport and probably many coastal Southern California kings have just as good yellow as the Carlsbads but by the time you get up to my area of coastal Central California you just don't find 'em with that kind of yellow.
I will also add that I know of 2 other wc Lavender-type kings from different areas in So. Cal. One I've seen a pic of but the other I haven't seen at all. And R_____ W________ claims that back in his commercial collecting days (70's) he would periodically see Lavender type Cal Kings but just sold them with the rest.
I am sure time will tell as in the next couple years pure Blondes will be available from others besides Tim.

Kerby... Jan 24, 2005 11:17 PM

Here is a wild-caught that Brian Hubbs caught quite a few years ago. I scanned this pic for Brian about 5-6 years ago.

Blue-eyed Blonde???

Definitely different!

Kerby...
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Kerby... Jan 24, 2005 11:20 PM

I ought to breed a male lavender to the wc Carlsbad striper??

Thanks for the idea!

Kerby...

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