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Is it just me or are people selling normal females at outragous prices? I can see 300-400 dollars for a 1500g-2200g but wow 700 dollars and up. Just my opinion.

.3 BP's (Vita,Daisy,Cleo)
2. Bp's (Herbie,Hanibal)
1.1 Labradors (Hennessy,Alize)
1.1 Sugar Gliders (Bonnie,Clyde)
.1 Day Gecko(?)
1. Sulcuta (Hector)
27 rats for feeding

A female bred to a normal may not return very much, however, a female bred to a visible het such as a Pastel could easily justify the price. Would you purchase a $1000 animal if she could "throw" 3 or more Pastels at 1k each?
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Jay A. Martin

in the spring i can buy new babies from importer at 10-20 each. im looking around now for some extra 04's and getting prices of 60-100. anything that could possibly be ' at weight ' by breeding season 2005 are a lot more than you expect. heck, i am thinking of purchasing 200-400 females each year, raising to breeding size and selling for 300 or so. dont have to worry about breeding, eggs, hatching, etc.with all the dom/co-doms out there, i dont think it would be a problem getting rid of them.

WOW! $700?? Where are you looking? LOL..I found two gorgeous normal CB females, born 4/04 for $125, both fat and 110% healthy. I wont spend more than $100 on a normal no matter what size, unless its het for something...

Melody

It's the size that makes them valuable as breeders. Your 04 females will take years to breed. Someone with 10K invested in a breeder sized dominant type male that seems to have plenty of steam left this year could make thousands off an extra ready to breed normal female. You actually can buy time; you just have to pay through the nose for it!

in my opinion...you just need to know where to look. i found a nice 2400 gram female at a small hole in the wall pet store for $100. look around at some of the small pet stores in your area. you might actually find some good snakes at good prices.

Red Raven Reptiles
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The reason prices are so high on female 1500 grams is the fact of the C0-dom traits. Any Co-dom or Super Morph you breed with the Female normal yeilds $$$$$$. Thus 500-1,000 for a large feeding female is nothing compared to what you will make the first year. That is my opinion. Thanks David

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

If I want a female, I just look to my local pet-shop. They just got a shipment in of about a dozen balls, and I picked a female up for free (long story). I could get 6-7 FEMALE sub-adult ball pythons for the same price people are selling for one. I'm not saying I'm going to...lol I'm not sure you guys and gals would say the same.

Ryan

I'm willing to put big bucks on it that the shipment contains w.c. or c.h. animals. Unless your buy babies they *usually* don't breed in captivity or take years to settle in. C.B.B. are worth the money!
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John Light
JL Exotics
Contact Me
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According to him, WC animals are the best and feed much better than captive bred ones. At least that's what he stated here.

And Ferris, who cares if you can get sub adult Ball Pythons for 10 cents each? Its awesome, and I hope it works out for you, but if I buy an adult female for $500 and breed it with my spider and make $20K, am I really going to sweat it that I could have saved a coulpe hundred bucks? Pennies man. I wouldn't trip over them to making the $$. There's a reason that some females go for that high at certain times of the year. Nice follicles, good feeding habits October through January, no parasites, etc etc. Sure, I could get 100 adult BP's for a few bucks, but I'd rather buy 10 for the same price and have ALL 10 breed and make me money...

Plus, its not always about money. Some people don't like supporting the WC trade. They ain't preaching it, but its their right to want to buy domestucally-produced animals.

You seem to have misunderstood what I said. If you GO back and READ if you know how. I STATED that I have seen FARM HATCHED(imported) babies feed way better than the SOME of the CAPTIVE BORN BABIES, and THAT I have some 100% HET ALBINO's that STILL have NOT FED without sticking the pinky rat/mouse in the mouth. Most of the farm raised I have delt with eat mice right whenI get them out of the shipping BOX. That is what I STATED. I NEVER stated that wild collected balls were better than captive born, In some ways I would rather deal with a farm raised. I would definatly rather have a farm raised baby male for 6.00 rather than YOUR 85.00 males that are captive born, Hell I could loose 10 of the 6.00 and still come out ahead. I got in 600 baby ball pythons this past year and guess what I can get almost 100 babies Males and females for what you charge for just 10 MALES. Now you can take that to the bank, See ya DAVID
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

I would definatly rather have a farm raised baby male for 6.00 rather than YOUR 85.00 males that are captive born, Hell I could loose 10 of the 6.00 and still come out ahead.

Holy cow man, I'm sooooo glad you are working with LIVE animals. I wish it was puppies instead.

Beautiful attitude.

Jeff what is so Funny about working with LIVE animals and the being lost. As we all know crap happens and they do DIE for time to time, So I don't know what you are refering to about puppies they die also.I was just saying that IF I lost 10 I would still have not spent as much as if I bought yours and lost it. If you find that funny you need HELP. Thanks DAVID
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

Because a 5 year old could have figured out the context in which I was talking. Its NOT funny the attitude you're taking with LIVE animals. Its sad.

If you didn't make this statement and I'm seeing things;

I would definatly rather have a farm raised baby male for 6.00 rather than YOUR 85.00 males that are captive born, Hell I could loose 10 of the 6.00 and still come out ahead.

..then I apologize.

Sad.

YOU seem to have good justifications for your actions but someone else cannot justify anything they say. I was clearly making a statement that EVEN IF I BOUGHT 10 Farm Hatched BABIES for 6.00 each = 60.00 that even IF( and I said IF) something happend to them I would still come out cheaper then buying yours at a JACKED-UP price of 85.00each for a MALE...LOL..., and That I would be getting males and females, NOT JUST ONE MALE. But I am sure you would try and shift the eye OFF YOU and ON me. I guess that is because you are SO PERFECT...LOL....You wish...All this started because YOU didn't like the fact that I disagreed with what YOU put on YOUR SITE....That your 85.00 male was worth it because they would be supporting the captive born Industry(Nothing wrong with that) until you put, "Instead of the Imported Garbage"last time I checked all the snakes wouldn't be here if somewhere down the line someone collected it from the wild....Unless of course you have a test tube Ball PYTHON...LOL...Your right I am wrong...LOL.LOL..LOL...But anyway You lose...see ya David

Guess what this is a IMPORTED BABY, I guess it is Garbage to you...

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

at least that is what Jeff calls all imports.....

Picture of a imported baby

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

Fortunately there are people that enjoy buying imports. However time is the real issue here. A very similar statement was made on another forum and it comes up quite frequently.

It boils down to "What is your time worth".

A simple analogy is:

A man has a job for the past 5 years and makes a meager 45k a year. He then decides that thats not enough money for him and he is going to rob a bank.

He robs the bank of 100k in cash and then spends the next 10 years in a Federal Prison for the crime. Using simple math, one can easily deduce that the crime was not greater in value than he would have made had he of stayed working.

In this case, time did not = a gain, whereas in ball pythons it is just the opposite.

To bring in some imports at a cheap price and then assume you are going to find a missing morph takes many years, not to metion working with the morphs currently available. Anything het as a baby is a 3 year wait. An unproven import is almost twice that wait. Its a long tough road.

Aside from that, I wouldn't own anything WC and the females that I have have a combined age, health, length, and great feeding habbits along with beauty. It would also be worth it to me to pay 1k for a 3000 gram female that was 6 years old and have instant results with the next 3 years producing, while you wait for your females to get big enough and produce in 2008.

The pic is of 5 of my big females. All of which are near the 3000 to 3400 gram mark. All are CB and all are 5 years or better. I wouldn't ever sell them for less than 1k each, but then that all boils down to what your time is worth.

Hope you guys enjoyed the analogy.

Jeff & Starr

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[FONT=Pristina]5StarrMorphs[/FONT]

Great pic!

And furthermore, I don't think people should be chastized for supporting the captive bred industry. Imagine, a BREEDER supporting the thought of captive bred animals. What a novel idea eh?

I tried to put all 10 of them big ones in the pic, but it got to be too many to manage.

The pop can was for size illustration ONLY and is NOT for sale!!! Also the can was CB Just kidding........
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I am not chastising you. I just felt the way you worded the statement on your website was NOT good. LIKE I said Before YOU could have USED several other words...OTHER than IMPORTED GARBAGE. I agree about supporting the Captive Born Industry, Who wouldn't, But to say that the imported babes(etc.) are garbage just to sell your 6 male balls is not good business tactics. YOU could have PUT " supprot the captive born industry rather that the Imported(wild collected /farmed Industry). Still gets the point across without calling all Imported animals GARBAGE. Sure you MIGHT have problems with the sub adult to Adult import ball pythons but for the most part the farm babies are good and usually feed great. You still have to raise the babies up no matter if they are Captive Bred and Born or Farm hatched in Africa. Thanks DAVID

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

No snake is garbage!!! The imported ones are actually more precious to me. I guess some people like to use the term garbage to boost their own sles....Now that is sad.
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Chad Bachman

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Chad Bachman

How would it take any longer to raise a farm hatched baby over a captive born baby. If they were both born around the same time it should not be any problem raising a Farm Hatched baby to the same size as a captive born, After all the are BOTH CAPTIVE born one is just in Africa and one is in US, what is the difference?
Thanks DAVID
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

I really don't post much, but I saw this and had to post. I have 11 female balls, all of them CH except 1. I feed them all the same day, all the same meals, with the exception of 2(they still eat mice). So we are looking at a test group of 9. The CBB animal FAR outweighs the CH animals by 100-300 grams in some cases. I honestly believe, for some reason, and I don't know why, CBB animals grow faster.

Jason

Well as you can see from the Animals listed below I have 150 ball pythons, That DON'T make me an Expert but I do know that I have not seen any difference in how fast a CBB and FARM HATCHED grow any slower of faster. TELL that to my PIED and I know he is Captive Born and BRED. Hell, Tell that to most pieds or 100% het pieds. Like I said I have been working with 150 ball pythons for around 2 years now and each one grows different, I have an Farm hatched female that I got in May 2004 and she is pushing 700 grams now and she has only fed around 40 times. It just depends on appetite of each snake wether it be Farmed or CBB. I also produce several Normal babies last season and they still are Not 250 grams and have fed close to as many times. But I guess we all have our own opinion and experiences. Thanks DAVID
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

I only have 2.11 right now, so I would say that you have far more experience with Balls than I, but I was just stating what I have noticed.

Jason

That is kool, Like I said I am sure we all have different stories and in your case yours probably eat better. I have several that are just plain picky feeders. I offer them everything every week and nothing and then one day they eat...lol....I guess that is the world of ball pythons. I even purchased a 2003 female pastel sub-adult 500 grams for 2500.00 that took around 3 months before she took a meal and then it was a mouse. I just got her switched to rats some odd 3-4 months ago. She is right around 900 grams now. I am hoping to get a late clutch with a super in it. But I doubt she will go this season with her only being 900 grams, she will need to get a good 500 grams more on her. Thanks DAVID
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

500 grams is not tough. I put about 425 grams on a female from November 17th to yesterday when I weighed her. When I got her she was 1475. I weighed her yesterday, and she is almost 1900 grams. But then again, she eats EVERYTIME she has never refused a meal in my care.

Just the luck some of us have I guess.

Jason

As you know, there is no difference. I have no idea what the above post was trying to say.

Seems like a couple people have it out for you on this forum...LOL. CH animals do awsome and will breed as quick as a CBB animals.

I know it's hard to resist David, but I wouldn't waste my time on certain people here.

Good luck with your breedings this year!!
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Chad Bachman

They are just lurking to pounce on me....LOL.... I know I am just the Type of person that stand up for what I believe in. So when someone trys to cut me up I will give it back to the ten fold. You watch out now they might try and ponce you next....I got your back though. I don't want or need anyone to agree with me I just would like people to own UP if they screw UP. He shouldn't have PUT GARBAGE its just that simple.... LOL... then he comes on and tells me that he jsut don't like the Raping of AFRICA's Ball pythons...that is why he posted that Imports were Garbage....LOL...that was to funny. But anyway Thanks Chad and good luck with your breedings also. See ya'll later, DAVID

Oh yea here is 2 more Imported GARBAGE I own.....LOL

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

Being its HIS website, he should put whatever the dammmm well he pleases, don't you think? And then, for YOU to come OUT and chastize him for whatever HE has on HIS website, how is THAT not considered "pouncing"?

Oh that's right, its only allowed when you do it. And then, if someone disagrees, you tell them that they are stupid and that they were dropped on their head, etc etc, but then you wonder why when you post the same animal for the 50th time that no one responds anymore. LOL!

But no no, I gotz YOUR back homey Fa-shizzle...

Whatever. Shouldn't you be posting a "diamond-nose" about now?

I know it's hard to resist, but I wouldn't waste my time on certain people here.

All too true. Too true indeed.

JEFF, You ARE RIGHT it WAS YOUR website that CALLED INPORTED BALL PYTHONS GARBAGE, And guess YOU lost a sale because of what you put, When I first contacted you I totally nice about the fact that you should probably change the way you worded your statement, I did GO TO YOUR website LOOKING to see what you HAD FOR SALE and when I saw what you attitude was like about imported reptiles, animals are not garbage!!!!! I am not a bleeding heart but but I wouldn't put that snakes were junk either. When you make a statement about AL, He is just another one looking for trouble everywhere he goes, He gonna find it oneday and it ain't gonna be pretty. But that is another book...... LOOK I give a crap less what you put on YOUR website, I guess I should have never said anything and everytime someone goes to your site and see's what YOU put they will get the same opinion I got of you. PUTTING the Imported ball pythons down to sell your is kinda sorry I think, That is the main reason you did it. But anyway YOU do what YOU want after all IT IS YOUR website...LOL....SEE YA, DAVID

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

I didn't lose any sales. I produced 442 animals in 2004 and I only have 16 left, and NO Ball Pythons left for sale. My sales ain't hurtin' man. But thank you so much for your concern.

No problem, Hope you sell 500 more this season. see ya
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

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Jay A. Martin

Supply and Demand. C.B.B. females are worth big bucks because of the co-dom morphs, even recessives! I have 2-3 girls over 3k grams which I've been offered 1k a pop for. They are on breeding loan right now and next year should provide me with tons of little ones! My Burgundy (unproven) should be over 3k by next year! I sent her off on loan this year at 2400 grams. Anything is ONLY worth what someone is willing to pay. Slap a price on it and wait till someone buys. No one buys you drop the price. It's just the way things work.
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John Light
JL Exotics
Contact Me
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It's pretty simple - a female of breeding size has a basic value of about $400-$500 if you figure that you buy the snake for $100 and include the time and money it takes to raise it to good breeding size (about 3 years). And of course size, coloring, previous clutch size, etc are all things to consider that could raise the price.

Now for a breeder who has a male ready to breed and can make thousands of dollars with that snake ----> way worth it to pay the extra couple hundred asking price.

As for buying a WC: aside from the feeding isssues and parasite issues, that come with it. From what I've heard many of them take longer to breed once in captivity than the ones born and bred here. I remember reading on one of the posts that someone picked upone that was already gravid, but couldn't get it to breed for years after they'd had her. Is that something you want to take a chance on with your $7000 snake? Not me.

Of course you can go pick up a snake at your corner pet store for much less, but a majority of the ones sold there are wc, farmed or captive hatched. Not to mention stressed out from the enviornment of being in a pet store. Nothing I'd want to deal with. But again, that's just me.
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Tosha

2.5.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and currently un-named)
0.1.0 Siberian Husky (Kita)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope)
5.4.2 Fish (1,2,3,4...)
0.0.1 Frog rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.2 Lizards rescued from pool skimmer