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I crossed a leucistic rat snake & my amelanistic corn who is het for snow?
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2.1 Corn snakes Snake Plissken, Jack Skellington & Abby
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
1.3 leos, Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo (Indy)
0.1 Pacman frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
1.1.5 firebelly newts Wayne Newton, Isaac Newton, Fig Newton, Juice Newton, Olivia Newton John, Helmut Newton & Thandie Newton
1.1 cats Gus & Mena

You would get hybrids that are:

100% het for albino
100% het for leucistic
50% het for snow.
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"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature, only to what we know of it."

Any idea what the kids would look like?
I hope that's not a stupid question...I understand that babies that are het carry the gene for that feature, but may not display it themselves, as in the case of my albino corn who has produced snow babies.
I appreciate the help, I'm new to breeding & am trying to read up as much as I can.
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2.1 Corn snakes Snake Plissken, Jack Skellington & Abby
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
1.3 leos, Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo (Indy)
0.1 Pacman frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
1.1.5 firebelly newts Wayne Newton, Isaac Newton, Fig Newton, Juice Newton, Olivia Newton John, Helmut Newton & Thandie Newton
1.1 cats Gus & Mena

Not a silly question at all. The babies would look the same as if you had crossed a normal (non-leucistic) rat with a normal wild type corn. Don't expect them to be real knockouts but it sounds like you'll have fun with it, and that's all that counts. If you breed the babies back to each other you'll get a whole variety of morphs.

You may get some flack if you were to post this on another forum because everyone and thier mother thinks they are a biologist, but neither species is particularly endangered and there is no risk of "polluting" any captive bloodlines if you honestly represent the babies, in the event that you sell any.

Feel free to post any and all questions on these forums or you can email me at elapid@optonline.net, we're all here to help each other.

Bryan
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"Nothing happens in contradiction to nature, only to what we know of it."

Well it's interesting to hear what I'll get from this mix. This will be my first year breeding snakes. I'll be breeding my male amel corn to his previous owner's snow corn. They did it last year, but she managed the eggs. We only had one hatch out & it was snow, proving his het. I am growing up a mate for him, a reverse Okeetee corn. I also have 2 Hog Island Boas who will eventually be "for" each other.
I don't want to hybridize my boas as the variety has specific features that are different from the "typical" boa. But I have fallen in love w/ the leucistic rats & when I realized I could breed them to my amel, it got me going.
I don't really have issues w/ hybridization, but I can see that many people do. I actually didn't realize there was a hybrid forum until I posted my question on the corn forum & was referred here.
Well, that's enough rambling for me. Thanks for the help!
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2.1 Corn snakes Snake Plissken, Jack Skellington & Abby
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
1.3 leos, Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo (Indy)
0.1 Pacman frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
1.1.5 firebelly newts Wayne Newton, Isaac Newton, Fig Newton, Juice Newton, Olivia Newton John, Helmut Newton & Thandie Newton
1.1 cats Gus & Mena

**crossed a leucistic rat snake & my amelanistic corn who is het for snow?**

Actually you do not have an amel corn that is het for snow. Snow is not a single recessive gene but a combination of two recessive genes (amel & anery). If one of the parents of your amel was a snow corn, then your corn is an amel that is het for anery, NOT HET FOR SNOW. So breeding the mentioned above will produce babies (1st generation) that are:

100% het for leucistic
100% het for amel
25% chance of being het for anery
0% chance of being het for snow

All the babies will be normal looking (rat x corn). All the babies will be guaranteed to be double hets (leucistic & amel). THAT IS THE ONLY GUARANTEE. Now if you breed the babies back to each other (2nd generation), you will get some leucistics, some amels, maybe some anerys (since the corn was het anery and all the babies have the chance of being het for anery), and maybe some snows (if the 2 that breed together are BOTH het for anery, we KNOW they are both het for amel & leucistic), maybe some will display leucistic & amel at the same time, some that will display leucistic, amel, & anery at the same time. The odds are low depending upon the clutch size. If 2 snakes are normal looking and are double hets, there is a 1/16 chance that an offspring will show both of those traits at the same time. For example, if you had 2 corns that were normal looking but both were het for amel and anery, then out of 16 eggs one would show both traits (amel & anery, or what we call a snow). That is just the odds, you could very well get better odds or worse odds LOL. At least with corn snakes, they have relatively larger clutch sizes than other species (like cal kings). It can be hard to produce a cal king that shows 2,3, or 4 traits at the same time with smaller clutch sizes.

Clear? LOL

Kerby...

That's great info. I'm very eager to learn about the genetics, so I really appreciate you taking the time to respond w/ such detail. Sounds like it could really be worth it to add a leucistic rat female to my collection, if just for the interest value.
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2.1 Corn snakes Snake Plissken, Jack Skellington & Abby
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
1.3 leos, Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo (Indy)
0.1 Pacman frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
1.1.5 firebelly newts Wayne Newton, Isaac Newton, Fig Newton, Juice Newton, Olivia Newton John, Helmut Newton & Thandie Newton
1.1 cats Gus & Mena

It is possible (very small) on the 2nd generation to get a snow (amel & anery at the same time). It's just that ALL the babies will be normal looking, ALL the babies will be double hets (amel & leucistic), but not all the babies will be het for anery. And there is ABSOLUTELY no way of telling by looking at them. They can only be proved by breeding, and then with 3 recessive genes (amel, leucistic, anery), the odds are lower. A nice project though.

Oh, and odds are your cornsnake is probably het for something else too that you aren't aware of! Which throws the odds out the window again. LOL

Kerby...

I'm psyched to start! Thanks everyone.
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2.1 Corn snakes Snake Plissken, Jack Skellington & Abby
1.1 Hog Island Boas Harley & Isaboa
1.3 leos, Yoda, Geo, Tang, Ginger
1.0 Blue Tongue Skink Indigo (Indy)
0.1 Pacman frog Buffy the Cricket Slayer
1.1.4 firebelly newts Wayne Newton, Isaac Newton, Fig Newton, Olivia Newton John, Helmut Newton & Thandie Newton
1.1 cats Gus & Mena

If the amel is het for anery, that would make:

100% het leucy
100% het amel
50% het anery

I'm sure you knew that though.

Brandon Osborne

I should have clarified......they will be 50% poss. het for anery. lol. Absolutely no way to tell without back breeding.

Brandon Osborne