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Dumeril's are NOT dog tame

SPJ01 Jan 27, 2005 12:03 PM

Where are all the dog tame dumeril's and why can't I find them?
I have a 1.1 pair from 02 and a 1.1 pair from 04.
The male 02 is highly agressive. Has been like that since he was a baby. The female 02 is better but has her moments.
The male 04 is just a psycho and and the female 04 is not much better.
They 02's were snappy as babies and never grew out of it. The 04's don't look like they are going to grow out of it either.
They will bite and hold on while being held sometimes (especially the males) and the will stike at the cage when you go near it. I have to hook them out and be very careful not to get tagged when I change the water.
Who breeds the tame ones? Mine came form very good sources but they are just nasty at times.
They are each housed individually and in addition to a deep layer of substrate they also have numerous hides.
I even tried placing them in different size racks instead of cages but it just meant that they would strike up when I slid the tubs out.
Dumeril's do not qualify as dog tame. I personnally think that regular BCI's are much more docile based upon my experiences.
Did I end up buying all the nasty ones and everyone else has the docile ones?
I am about ready to list them for sale for dirt cheap because I am sick and tired of the attitudes. I've been dealing with pissy dumeril's for too long now and am tired of it (not to mention I get upset when I see all the other posts about how tame their dumeril's are).
Come on now, post your experiences people. I know there must be others out there who have dumeril's that don't qualify as dog tame.

Replies (10)

thecaiman Jan 27, 2005 04:09 PM

I dont really know how to help ya but I feel for ya, I dont know what would cause it I would think its something more enviromental. Ive had hundreds of dumerils and never once had a aggressive one IMO dumerils are far more docile then BCI's, sorry I cant help more though
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blackpine Jan 27, 2005 07:18 PM

I really wish that your Dums weren't being such a pain. Sorry to hear that your experiences haven't been good. I don't have any suggestions because my Dum is one of those nice docile boys. The only time I have to be careful around him is when he scents food because he's a good feeder. Other than that, even my young daughters can handle him.

KenRoshak Jan 28, 2005 10:36 PM

What is your feeding schedule? Out of the dozen or so dums I've personally handled I've only heard of one that was striking at it's owner. This particular case involved a large female dum that was being under-fed. My friend adopted the animal from it's distraught owner and moved her up to small rabbits. It hasn't struck at all since my friend adopted it.
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mcswain11 Jan 29, 2005 03:23 AM

I have had a male for over eight years and he has never been anything but a perfect gentlemen. I had one strike at me when she was about four months old and I reached in to get her out of her cage. Never had one bite while I was holding it. I think mine are better behaved than my balls.

pythonis Jan 29, 2005 03:48 AM

i have no probs with mine. i can reach into his tank, pull the hide off of him, and pick him up with no complaints whatsoever. also, he is a great eater. he handles two weened rats per week and has no problems with eating live as they dont stay alive long enough to do anything to him. he's a bottomless pit. had to move him to weened cause he was eating 4 ratpups a week. got him in november of 04 from amazon reptiles of california. he's about 23" long and is pretty thick. not sure of his weight.


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1.0.1 Redtail boa
0.1.1 blood python
1.0 dumeril boa
1.0 carpet python

SPJ01 Jan 29, 2005 01:46 PM

I'll reply again since KS decided to delete my responses as well as about 1/2 dozen other peoples responses.

As far as them being hungry goes, they all eat every Friday. The 02's eat large f/t rats and the 04's are still on live. The male gets an adult mouse (doesn't care for rats for some reason)and the female takes rat pups.

I was wondering if the fact that I use cypress mulch might have anything to do with the temperament? I know it's a long shot but it seems most people use aspen so maybe a switch might help.

With regards to them being docile like BP's, mine are FAR from that. Even WC adult female BP's have calmed down for me in relatively short time.

I have a male retic that is over 6 feet that is more trustworthy and can be handled by kids. My dums are not that trustworthy.

I even stopped by a local petstore yesterday to pick up some crickets for my leos and they had a sub adult dum for sale. This thing wasn't bitey but wow talk about spastic when you hold it. If you have ever held a retic then you know how active they are while being held. This dum was even more active than that.

I just don't get it. All of my other animals are tame (a requirement since my kids like to interact with them when I take them out) but I can't trust any of the dums with them. I can trust them holding a retic with me watching but not a dumeril's. It's just odd.

pythonis Jan 30, 2005 04:02 AM

well then dont own a dumeril until you find a docile one or just dont own one at all. you may not have "the touch" which is not a bad thing. my roommate keeps getting bit by boas but they never even hiss at me. be sensible. i want a burmese but im a smart enough person to know that i cannot handle taking care of a 15' snake. plus i dont have the room. so i cut my losses and move on. if your kids have to interact with the snakes then get a snake that is friendly. even if the only choice is a garter snake then i guess thats what youll have to do.
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1.0.1 Redtail boa
0.1.1 blood python
1.0 dumeril boa
1.0 carpet python

tcdrover Feb 01, 2005 12:43 PM

Since no one else has mentioned it, I'll bring it up. Check your
temps. They may be too high. Dums like lower temps than BCI and
BCC. High temps could be the cause.

I've got a male that I've had for over 4 years since he was a
neonate. He is as docile as you will ever see a boa. The ONE
time he did get aggresive was purely my fault.

I had fed him a pretty big rat and in between all the other
boas I lost track of when I fed him. I tried to handle him a
couple of days after feeding him, and worst still I grabbed him
exactly where the big bulge was a little too hard. Well he tried
to bite. He missed, but it was different than other BCI, BCC or
Hogs in that he really wanted to bite me. It wasn't for display
he didn't hiss he just attacked.

woodchip Feb 23, 2005 07:37 AM

I have owned my female for close to two years now. Never the slightest sign of aggression. When I go to pick her up I first stick my hand in the cage and let her scent me. As often as not she'll then start climbing up my arm.
When you feed your snakes I trust you are using tongs to handle the food so there is not food scent on your hands.

Paradigmboas Mar 17, 2005 04:12 PM

I know this is an old topic but I just have to post my 2cents. I have kept Dumerils for 20 years and was the first to get some of the wild caughts that may have been smuggled into the states. All of my adults are a little more wiggly and active than my Bci while being held but are not at all strikers or biters. I have never once in all that time been bit by a Dum. I don't know how many babies I've had born here but it has been alot...and all of them have been very very docile. I think once the babies start eating they are much easier to both care for and breed than Bci.

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