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I know this is the lazy way but I was wondering if some of you guys could help us, that have not read the papers that you have, gain some knowledge. If you out there, who have read or wrote some published papers could post links to the location of such papers I and others could start sounding smarter in these discussions.
Thanks Guys
Jason

Ps No Finch papers Terry

http://www.kingsnake.com/king/document.html,,under care sheets
peace,,,,,,,,thomas

Thanks but I have been there and there is not that much there unless I missed something. What I was wondering is where can I find published papers on kings other than Kenny Krysko's paper? Are there any others on the web or are they all in hard copies. I know there is a scientific web site out there but I don't know the site. Any help would be appreciated. Also any other snake papers out there.
Thanks Jason

Reptile and amphibian variants : colors, patterns, and scales by H. Bernard Bechtel.

This book has bibliographies at the end of each chapter. Bechtel has probably done half of the published genetics work in snakes.

Richard Zweifel did a piece about Cal kings in the Journal of Heredity in 1982.

Rich Ihle, et al., did a piece about salmon (AKA hypo) in the boa constrictor in the Journal of Heredity, in the May/June issue, 2000, I believe. There may be more info on his web site, salmonboa.com.

For learning the principles of genetics, try Elrod and Stansfield, Schaum's Introduction to Genetics. Used, PB copies of the latest edition (2002) go for $8. Best bang for the buck I know of in genetics texts. Trying to learn genetics from the herper web sites is equivalent to shooting yourself in the foot.

Hope this helps.

Paul Hollander

I have been in the hobby for a number of years and have the morph genetics down pretty well. Thank you for the ideas though and I will pick up one of those for sure because I have never read it. I am more interested in papers like Kyrsko's on the science end and not the breeding end. I have seen some of the guys on here refer to the papers that they wrote or read on certain topics. I was looking for a on line source for these or do I need to look in a library for the hard copy of such works.
Thanks For any help
Jason

Wilmer Miller is a genetics prof emeritus here at Iowa State U. Have a look at his web site. On the "Contents" page, under "Genetics & ...", use the "Neglected Advances in Classical Genetics" link. You may find other links interesting, too.

Paul Hollander
Wilmer Miller web site

junk???

try ssarherps.org or naherpetology.org for scientific junk. otherwise approach the librarian at the nearest university library, I am sure they will love to help you with their collection of rubbish.

Thanks for the links. I had some trouble getting around the sites but they are interesting none the less. Any others would be cool.
Thanks Jason

P.s. I just said junk to get somebody to respond. Last time I ask for this info it just sat there so I gues it worked.

A few hardcore scientific journals are available on-line but most still require a trip to a good library. The typical city library will only have a few biological journals so university libraries would be a better choice.
Are you still in Florida? The UF library in Gainesville is pretty big and open to the public. You can't check out books if you're not a student but then most reference journals usually can't be checked out anyway. When I make a visit like that I try to go armed with a target list and spend my time at the xerox machines for reading later.
Here's a great site for finding publication listings about Florida herps. I suspect their are similar lists for other regions or search engines could find some papers on your topic of interest.
http://wld.fwc.state.fl.us/herpbibl/default.asp

Hey Lindsey
I actually moved to Chicago after the Hurricanes. My house blew down or at least the roof blew off. Kinda of a weird thing that, watching your roof come off your house while you are inside. Actually I was thinking of moving because my girlfriend is up here at Northwestern.
Before you ask I lost my last South Florida Mole King when I got up here along with a few thousand dollors of other animals. Apparently I don't have a thermostat on the heater in my apartment, and with the doors open as I moved in, the heater ran all night and the room I put all my snakes in got up to 115 degrees. I had the door closed to the room and in the mourning I opened it and got hit with a wall of heat and the smell of true horror as I check about forty dead snakes out of my collection. Kinda a bad first night.
Thanks for the info on the sciencetific papers. I will check out the University Library.
Later Jason

Jason:

It can be hard to find what you are looking for given the enormous number of publications out there involving snakes, genetics, or some combination thereof. One place to start is to browse Breck Bartholomew's Herplit Database. Go to: http://www.herplit.com/ and click on the Herplit Database button in the left margin, then "Search the Herplit Database" on the next screen. You will then be prompted to enter key words in the Keyword field. You might state with "snakes" and "genetics" together, and then play around with other combinations. This will produce a list of citations, which you will then need to track down at a decent university library. Papers published recently often are available from the authors a PDF reprints, which can be emailed to you. Another excellent means of identifying the papers you want is to browse the literature cited section of a paper like Krysko's. Each paper you are able to read will suggest others you'll want to track down--eventually you'll be an expert! The majority of recent publications that involve "genetics" in the broad sense concern themselves with trying to recovery the histories of lineages of various species--in other words, phylogenetic analysis using genes as markers. It's all pretty cool stuff, but can be slow sledding if you don't have a background in biology.

Feel free to email me directly at rwh13 AT csufresno.edu with any specific questions. Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Bob Hansen