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Our baby Russian just died...

nechushtan Jan 29, 2005 05:11 PM

My daughters first pet snake just died. He was 6 months old and I think appeared healthy up until the last week or so. We aren't sure if perhaps he wasn't defecating properly as he is a bit big around the middle and apparently regurged his last meal... Anyway, my daughter is very upset and we're just trying to find a "why"? Does anyone have any thoughts?

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Amor et Lux,
Ron

"The gods tolerate the human race for no other reason than our talent for [bleep]. It's the only thing about us that doesn't bore them to tears" Tom Robbins "Villa Incognito"

Replies (5)

jfirneno Jan 29, 2005 06:18 PM

nt

nechushtan Jan 29, 2005 11:43 PM

John...
I don't have your home e-mail mine is lyterius@yahoo.com thanks for the condolances... Any ideas what may have happened?
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Amor et Lux,
Ron

"The gods tolerate the human race for no other reason than our talent for [bleep]. It's the only thing about us that doesn't bore them to tears" Tom Robbins "Villa Incognito"

Terry Cox Jan 30, 2005 05:54 AM

Ron, Russians are a little more complicated than a corn snake. Also, babies are more delicate than adults over winter. Let me know if I can help.

Terry

nechushtan Jan 30, 2005 12:18 PM

Thanks Terry,
Our family is new to the Old World species and I'll take the warning to heart. Hopefully we'll be trying again with another E. Schrencki and I definitely plan on monitoring him/her a bit closer over next winter. Could it be that we didn't hibernate him? I had thought that if you didn't plan to breed on any given year you didn't need to brumate. Any thoughts are welcome.
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Amor et Lux,
Ron

"The gods tolerate the human race for no other reason than our talent for [bleep]. It's the only thing about us that doesn't bore them to tears" Tom Robbins "Villa Incognito"

Terry Cox Jan 30, 2005 04:26 PM

Ron,

The Russians make great pets and are quite hardy, but they do have some drawbacks, as do most snakes.

Your right, most folks don't brumate babies, but Russian ratsnakes come from an area that has very long, cold winters. Often the babies want to hibernate whether you want them to or not. I don't know what happened to your baby snake, but I'll tell you what I usually do anyway.

I usually brumate my babies for four to eight weeks at a temp higher than what the adults are at, usually around 60*F. This gets them oriented and through the roughest months of the year...most of Jan and Feb. It all depends where you live too. It also hardens them up a little, so the first time they brumate at cold temps, it doesn't harm them.

I've seen Russians brumate up to seven months as an adult. Under the right conditions, as in the wild, they will survive that. Temps need to be near 45-50*F, and snakes need to be monitored for weight loss and dehydration. Because they are adapted to long winters, Russians are a little difficult in the cooler months. I always had a hard time getting mine to eat normally in the fall. You might get your young ones through the first and second winter w/o much brumation, but after that you'll probably have to brumate.

As a result of long brumations, Russians can take longer to mature. I never bred mine until they were in their fourth year and they were still growing until five year olds.

I don't know if your snake had any problem involving brumation. Maybe there was some kind of feeding problem. Maybe its cage got too cold or it was drafty. Let us know if you need any more help.

Terry

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