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Phantasticus Breeding

mphelps Feb 01, 2005 02:03 AM

I am considering purchasing a pair or trio of phantasticus, and have some questions about the experience of the list in breeding them. I have kept a variety of small herps in vivaria and am comfortable with the general parameters.

In terms of breeding:
1. Are these guys ready breeders? I.e., what are the chances of me setting up a trio and nothing happens?
2. It seems that success in completing the cycle from WC adults to healthy CB juvies is spotty at best, even among experienced keepers. What in your experience are the weakest links in the chain?
3. How difficult is it to raise the babies? What mortality rate are people experiencing, even with best efforts under decent conditions? They are so small and scrawny. Keeping the babies alive is the link that worries me the most.

I have bred henkeli, but that was a cake walk. I'm trying to gage the next level of difficulty.

Thanks for any comments and advice.

Mike

Replies (5)

boy Feb 01, 2005 02:07 AM

For me, they weren't very hard to breed. I think I just ended up with the right situation. I can't speak for most other people but I will say they are not easy for the most part. Hatchlings are the most difficult part. That first shed seems to be the worst.

cheers
Jason

umop_apisdn Feb 01, 2005 02:01 PM

well, in part it can depend on luck, but knowledge and skill definitely are your best bet when trying to be successful with them. my first breeding female was pure luck. satanics were the first species i picked up, and i happened to get lucky enough to where my first female laid 2 clutches for me. the babies, from what ive experienced and heard, are the hardest part of breeding. they're so tiny that you need pinheads or fruit flies, which not everyone has good access to. as for the first shed, i let mine go as far as they could with it, and when it seemed like they gave up thats when i stepped in with a pair of tweezers and a steady hand and slowly worked the last bits off of their limbs and whatnot. after their first shed, which came in like the first day i think, i began offering fruit flies. i didnt actually see them eating the flies, but they would. and basically whenever i noticed the number of flies were low, i would drop some more in. after about a month or two, they were large enough to take crickets, and by that point they began growing more rapidly. at 2 months they looked a lot less fragile than they had been when they first hatched.

as for your other questions, i wouldnt buy a trio and expect things to start right away. i would keep them separated at first to make sure no one gets stressed or passes on parasites/disease. once thats done with, it could still be a very long time before you see any mating activity or anything. i have been lucky enough to where every female that i purchased that survived the first week survived long enough to give me at least one egg. even the adults can die off without showing any signs. but if you've got some good strong individuals, given time and the right conditions they should eventually warm up to one another. i have a beautiful male that i bought back in may of last year, and he has NEVER shown any interest in females, then all the sudden a couple weeks ago he started chasing other males and soon after mated with a female. patience is gonna be key!

mphelps Feb 02, 2005 02:46 AM

Thanks for giving me some perspective. These responses are exactly what I was looking for. You gave me feedback that helps me assess whether I want to jump into the risks and work of U. fantasticus. Thanks!

flamedcrestie Feb 04, 2005 10:14 AM

any uroplatus species in my opinion is great just as a pet. although i'm trying to breed them they're great to keep and one of the more interesting species i keep. mossy leaftails are probably a better beginner seeing as they're much less fragile. getting started with them ( or one of the larger uroplatus) would be my suggestion and then working down in size.

boy Feb 04, 2005 11:03 PM

I would also look into trying Ebanaui. They are incredibly durable. This isn't going to sound good but I'll say it anyway. As long as they are set up right and strong animals, they will be able to take two to three days without extra spraying. None of my other geckos can with stand that. I've even had breeding go as normal with this. Last year I travelled a bit much, but as I have said before, when I ignored the eban's they did their best. Just remember the more foliage with ebans the better. Vines, twigs, fake or live plants... it all good. They more dense the better.

cheers
Jason

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