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If you had a female pastel, would you breed her to an albino or to a pastel and why? What about a spider male?
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Jay A. Martin

Of course, it's just my own opinion, but I think the Albino Pastel is a waste of a perfectly good Pastel. It looks like an ordinary Albino with just a hint of lavendar blushing on the head. Not dramatic enough to justify combining the two morphs. You mentioned a Spider? I'd go for the Bumblebee...hands down.

Chris
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"You ever heard of those? They're called parents. We have parents who love us. You don't 'cause you're a little orphan." -- Roy O'Bannon

Well, I do have a female pastel but she didn't quite make the weight. If I had a Albino male and a Pastel male I would do the pastel X pastel...reason being....Super pastel....Once you get a super the doors are open. I think you wouldn't get much more out of a albino X pastel except pastels 100% het albino. And if you bred a Pastel X pastel you should get atleast one super and a super would benifit you in the long run. As far as if I had a spider that would be a toss up. Because You could get a Super pastel from the pastel X pastel and that is good, But you could also from the spider X pastel get a bumble bee spider...So that is kinda a hard one. Hope that helps. Thanks DAVID
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

Jay, from experience, if you are even considering a pastel to albino breeding, know that you will not make any considerable money off the clutch. I bred my male albino to my female pastel last year and got 7 eggs; 0.3 het albinos and 4.0 pastel het albinos. There is plain and simple no market for them. I'm cool with that, as I did it for my own personal reasons and making any money off them was a second thought at best. In my opinion, I would breed pastel to anything other than an albino, or an albino to anything but a pastel unless, like I said, it's for your own enjoyment as it was with me. Good luck.
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www.strictlyballs.ca

Yeah, as I see it you have color morphs like the albino and pattern morphs like the spider. Color morphs don't seem to mix. At any rate, I think I'm leaning more towards the spider. Although, I love the hypo pastel.
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Jay A. Martin

One would think an Albino Pastel to be much brighter then a normal albino.

After all, are Pastels not brighter then a normal?

Please share the negative aspects an Albino Pastel would have!

Brian A.

(Please keep in mind...I've only seen a photo.)

I wouldn't say that there is anything "negative" about an Albino Pastel (or Pastel Albino)...but I would say it looks just like a plain ol' Albino.

And if that is the case...why spend extra time mixing morphs when you can't tell the difference?

Chris
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"You ever heard of those? They're called parents. We have parents who love us. You don't 'cause you're a little orphan." -- Roy O'Bannon

is that if you had a couple of albino pastel or albino super pastel males they could service both pastel and albino females to produce your pastel and albino offspring. That's 2 less snakes to feed and clean. That's assuming you're very serious about those morphs and would have at least 2 males of each for the respective breeding female groups.

Cheryl

I guess its because you can only get so white and orange/yellow and then from that point on it only is different shades of the same color. I don't believe you can get much brighter than a high contrast Albino Ball. The only advantage would be you would get pastels that were het for albinos. But to me It is not worth the time involved in producing a snake that really doesn't look much different.
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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

Would it be safe to assume a Pastel Albino would stay brighter then a regular albino which fades as it gets older?

Thanks

Brian Alston

The question is whether the pastel mutant gene produces its effects by reducing the amount of melanin or increasing the amount of yellow pigment. IMHO, it's effects come from reducing the amount of melanin and not affecting the amount of yellow pigment. IOW, an albino and an albino pastel have the same amount of melanin (none, because of the albino mutant genes) and the same amount of yellow pigment.

Paul Hollander

Only time will tell.
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www.strictlyballs.ca

First of all very few have seen the results of this mutation and the reason maybe what is stated here. It may not look different from an Albino in appearance. No one has posted pictures and perhaps this is the reason why.
2nd you would hatch perhaps 2.2 animals with 1.1 being Pastel/het Albino. 2-3 more years in the waiting for the female pastel/het Albino or the Het Albino to mature to reproduce.
IF you wanted to make this designer morph then you should go with Pastel male or Super Pastel male X to Albino female. Raise up Pastel/het Albino male in 1-2 years and breed him back to the Albino mom. Instant Pastel/Albinos, Albinos, Pastels/het Albinos, and Het Albinos.

GOD Bless
Andre
ASFReptiles

Your way is one way to make the Super Pastel/Albino morph if bred back to the Pastel/het Albino X Pastel/het Albino.

Andre, I've seen pics (2) of the Albino Pastel and I'm currently working on creating an Albino Pastel, so my opinion is fairly unbiased. I honestly can't see that much of a difference between a "normal" albino, and an albino pastel. I'm guessing that only time will tell whether or not there is a difference in appearance, but if the pics I have to work off of are any indication of what it will look like as an adult, I'm thoroughly unimpressed.
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www.strictlyballs.ca

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the results of this mutation. How sure are you that you are looking at an Albino/Pastel and not just an Albino? Does the pattern look like a Pastel with Albino colors? Is there any visible characteristics that indicate that you are in fact looking at this new designer morph.
If you could do it again with the choice of Pastel X Albino female OR Albino X Pastel female, what would you do? Doesn't my opinion on this sound like the fastest way to make this new morph?
I suppose the key to this new morph will be its genetics. Obviously it looks like an Albino in your opinion. It will produce more morphs($$$) when crossed to het Albinos, Albinos, Pastel/het Albinos, Pastels, normals, and any other double het Albinos.

GOD Bless
Andre
ASFReptiles

Andre; I agree with you completely. If I had it to do over again, I would have gone your route. However, with things having gone the way they did, I quite honestly don't think I'll be attempting to breed a pastel to an albino again. I will of course continue on with my male pastel het albino X albino next season, and hope for the best. We all have to keep in mind too that as of yet, as to the best of my knowledge, there is only one "Pastalbino" out there. One specimen is hardly enough evidence to condemn a new morph. I for one would like to see a second of third emerge, and see pics of it as it ages.
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