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I Want An ATB!!!

rugger_22 Feb 06, 2005 12:11 AM

BUT...

I really like hands on kind of snakes. I have been reading and researching and rereading about ammies, and I am well aware of their attitudes. It is actually one of the things that attracts me to them.

However, I also want a snake I can hold from time to time. I have seen posts on this forum where people describe their ammies as very tame or tame. Is this tame in the same sense you think of tame in other snakes like a Ball python or Columbian Boa(both of which I have experience with) or tame in the, "You can hold it, but it's going to tag you every once in a while", tame??

I am going to get one, I just want to be prepared for what "tame" means when it comes to an ATB.

Secondly, can you tell when a baby ATB is going to more willing to calm down and let you hold it with time and patience, or is it just 'luck of the draw' when choosing from Captive Bred Babies?

Lastly, I want to see ANY or ALL of the pics you have of you, or others, holding ATBs. I have only ever seen one or two in the last few months of research.

BTW, just for the record, I love the Red ATBs and Orange ATBs. When I am ready to buy I will certainly be seeking one of these beauties out.

Replies (7)

BillyBoy Feb 06, 2005 07:10 AM

AS A BROAD GENERALIZATION, I would say most ammies are very defensive and strike repeatedly if you try and hold them. Some very important factors to keep in mind also, they are very heat-sensitive and will strike at the source of the heat so you can "handle" them on something other than your body with less chance of getting tagged. I usually use a 24" piece of 1x2 to move most of my ammies for cage cleaning and feedings. They are also nocturnal and so will be more in hunting/defense mode as the day/evening progresses. I also think that a fair number of ammies can be familiarized with handling, especially if you start out with a calm juvenile to begin with (make sure it's calm AND eating regularly!). Out of my six ammies, I have two that I can handle with little fear of being bit. But even with these two, it doesn't take much to set them off and put them into defense mode where anything warm will be the object of their attention, including the hand they are perched on! Of the other four, three are 50/50 with their attitudes and can be handled but with a high likelihood of being bit at some point, and one is just plain evil and will launch attacks at the slightest provocation. With all that said, these are still snakes that will never just "hang out" with you while you watch tv or play video games like a boa or bp. Juveniles are also stressed very easily and this can often lead to going off feed and other complications. So, bottom line is, if you can deal with a snake that you can handle once or twice a week for 10 minutes or so ammies are great. They are also very active at night and I love to hang out in the snake room after lights out and watch them cruise around their cages at night. They also make great choices if you want a naturalistic vivarium-type display setup. As for pics, here's my big male "perched" on my fist. He's one of those rare exceptions that has looks, an easy-going personality and an appetite that won't quit!! Good luck with your decision.

>>BUT...
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>>I really like hands on kind of snakes. I have been reading and researching and rereading about ammies, and I am well aware of their attitudes. It is actually one of the things that attracts me to them.
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>>However, I also want a snake I can hold from time to time. I have seen posts on this forum where people describe their ammies as very tame or tame. Is this tame in the same sense you think of tame in other snakes like a Ball python or Columbian Boa(both of which I have experience with) or tame in the, "You can hold it, but it's going to tag you every once in a while", tame??
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>>I am going to get one, I just want to be prepared for what "tame" means when it comes to an ATB.
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>>Secondly, can you tell when a baby ATB is going to more willing to calm down and let you hold it with time and patience, or is it just 'luck of the draw' when choosing from Captive Bred Babies?
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>>Lastly, I want to see ANY or ALL of the pics you have of you, or others, holding ATBs. I have only ever seen one or two in the last few months of research.
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>>BTW, just for the record, I love the Red ATBs and Orange ATBs. When I am ready to buy I will certainly be seeking one of these beauties out.

rugger_22 Feb 06, 2005 10:10 AM

Thanks for the info. I had read about ammies striking at heat and to try and handle them at times when they normally don't feed. That is a great looking ammie.

It's been several years since I have been so enamored with a species, I smile real big when I see good pics of them. I will have to have one shipped to me, so I am hoping I can find a breeder/dealer that not only has the colors I am wanting, but can asses a baby or subadult for me before shipping and give me one of the more tolerant ammies.

Having a snake that is likely to bite from time to time doesn't bother me. I really just wanted to make sure I had a grasp of what "tame" meant when the term is applied to an ammie. They are so beautiful.

rugger_22 Feb 06, 2005 10:19 AM

I am still wanting to see pics of ammies being held.

Also, pretty red, orange, or yellow pics are just always cool.

Visahari Feb 07, 2005 09:11 PM

I have two subadult ATBs and both of them are very handalable. I started handling them young very young, but not too much. Keeping them healthy and fed was always the number one priority. After a long period of bitting from them they began to suddenly stop. I believe they more or less become acclimated to handling...and it becomes something less threatening to them. My female took much longer to calm down, and to the day will bite if i do something to upset her. My male has bite me once in the past two years and he gets handled about once a week. However both of them will crawl onto my neck, shoulders, and head and I have no problem manipulating them or moving them as long as i dont move suddenly or do anything to scare them. As you get to "know" your snake you will learn what will scare them and spark a defensive or offensive bite. Once they passed the "strike at everything with a heat source" phase, when i did get bit it was very apparent what i did to cause it. Hope this helps.

I dont think i have any pics of me holding and of my ATBs

Matt Fremgen

rugger_22 Feb 07, 2005 11:27 PM

Cool, thanks for the info, and that is a great pic.

Keep the handleing ATB testimonials and pics coming.

zoodude Apr 30, 2005 10:40 PM

I have three ATBs and I never use my hands to handle them (except when my hooks fail me, but then I'm ready for the bite that follows). These are beautiful DISPLAY snakes. I think they prefer it that way, and so do I. Even when using hooks, they advance toward my face in a defensive striking posture (maybe I just have above average body heat). I have come to appreciate their beauty from behind glass, and give them stimulating and aesthetic enclosures.


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Zoodude

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ballatblizards Nov 18, 2005 03:22 AM

Hello actually i don't know where my picture are of me holding my adult ATB but i'll find them and post them. Yeah tell me about a Tame amazon i paid 130.00 for his snake it's only a garden phase do to the handling it lets me do to it.I've touched the nose of this snake with no problem never been struck at or hissed or anything. So im looking forward to getting it sexed and maybe breeding him/her. I hope they get as well known as the RTB or the balls. I love this snake it's the best snake I could ask for. Thnanks Aaron

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