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I was just wondering what exactly a Tremper Albino is. Can anyone tell me? I got two.

Are they not as good or as expensive as other albino leopard geckos? Are they like the "cheap" version or something? Whats the differences?

Thanks,
Drag

"Tremper" albinos were produced from wild caught stock purchased by Ron Tremper. They are a different form of albinism (actually, amelanistic to be accurate) but definitely not cheaper versions.

From what I know, there are 3 "phases" of albinism among leopard Geckos that we know of - Tremper - Las Vegas (or Rainwater) and Bell.

LV's - are considered the pinkest.

Bells are just cool looking - sort of like a whacked out Tremper (in my opinion)

Tremper's are probably the most developed for variety.

Hope this helps.

Monte - Powergeckos
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Oh, OK. Thanks, that helps

What will I get if I breed two Tremper Albinos together? Will I get 100% Tremper Albino babies? Will they look better than their parents?

I am thinking about breeding the two I got.

Thanks,
Jesse

Tremper albinos, in my opinion is much more high contrast and brighter, at least the ones from Ron Tremper. Ron has done incredable things with his line. His tangerine albinos are amazing, and his Tremper Giants. For all of you who believe that all Trempers darken, that is not true. You can produce non-brown albinos with brown parents.

Mine are not dark at all. They are 3 week old babies with little nice red eyes and their bodies are mostly a pinkish color with a couple of yellow bands. Those bands dissapear as they become older, correct?

Jesse

Its hard to tell when your babies are not brown, because one of my albinos that I bought from another breeder was not brown at all and she was about 3 months, but now she is about a year and a half and shows very light brown. My male Giant is about 10 months and bright as can be that I got from Ron Tremper. I have some friends that have 1-2 year trempers that have no brown what-so-ever, not even on the tail.

I guess I will just have to wait and see than. The people I bought them from said they keep their tank temperatures up a little higher than normal because they will hold their colors more.

Thanks,
Jesse

the big difference lies within the genetics of the albinos themselves. All 3 are not compatable with one another. Basically if you breed tremper to rainwater, you'll get normals. Tremper to bell, normals. Bell to Rainwater, normals. Although, with all these double heterozygous for both types of albino leos, it's going to become harder to tell which is which. That is if albinos actually hatch out from breeding the double hets to each other. The reason I say if is because since both are simple recessive traits, both can be expressed at the same time, but more than likely it seems that expressing both albinism types in the gecko might be a fatal combination.

Appearance wise, the Bells and Trempers tend to be the darkest of the albinos, but there are dark rainwater albinos out there. Tremper claims on his site that genetics (parents) has nothing to do with the amount of brown one of his albinos will produce, though I tend to disagree. There are many things that play in whether either of the albinos strains will brown and genetically lineage is definitely one of them.

Oh another note, I'd also like to mention that Ron did not exactly originate his line of albinos. He was given a runt female albino and her het brother back in 1996. The female died in his care. He did "rediscover" the line however. This is what he told me over the phone back in 1999.

Chris

I agree with your story on RT's albino start. He told me that story too, it was a good one. If I remember, he bought these wild caughts from a guy out west - one died and he bred the brother back. Great story!!
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Monte Meyer
Powergeckos

If this doesn't stop moving, I think I might hack up a cricket!!!

Dan and Ron entered a partnership together. Ron did all the breeding and marketing and basically, Dan collected royalties, really nice royalties!
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Sorry, couldn't resist playing with the new toys!

heres two of my tremper albinos. notice the difference.

[img]http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/15205Sunshinelayingontheheatpad.jpg[img]

[img]http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/15205IM000620.jpg]

and heres my new carrottail

[img]http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/data/15205IM000675-med.jpg]

heres two of my tremper albinos. notice the difference.

and heres my new carrottail

Man, that 2nd one doesnt even really look like its an albino, I hope mine dont look like that.

Jesse

most of the trempers i have seen look like that except ron trempers and tangerine albinos. dont count on yours looking like the first one unless you bought a tangerine albino or you bought one from ron tremper.

If i breed the two and i got now and incubate the babies at high temp to make them brighter, can I then breed their babies together when they get older, or no? The brothers and sisters.

Thanks,
Jesse

Yes, you can inbreed leos. Make sure that you dont inbreed for too many generations though(it can cause ill sideaffects).