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NJ State Agencies strive to promote conservation?

urbanjungles Feb 11, 2005 11:56 AM

Then why would the following happen?

The Tewksbury Institute of Herpetology was organized as a non-profit organization in NJ in 2002. This great organization functioned as an international center committed to preserving endangered turtles and tortoises. One of their programs was to create and maintain assurance colonies of some critically engandered turtles and tortoises. Assurance colonies are long-term projects who's goal is to produce endangered species in hopes of maintaining a viable population which would serve as an insurance colony of sorts for critically endangered species should something happen to their wild counterparts.

For many years now, Richard Ogust, the foundere of of Tewksbury has maintained assurance colonies that are incredibly vast consisting of over 115 species including some of the world's most critically endangered chelonian species. TIH's holdings are the largest of their type anywhere in the US and even on an international level. Richard thought he had found the perfect place for TIH to call home near Tewksbury NJ which encompassed 20 acres of clear meadows, 28 acres of forest habitat, and 2 streams and a dairy barn complex. The site was family owned and the landowners eagerly welcomes Richard and TIH. TIH recieved funding from private donors, grants, and the sale of aquatic plants to build the ultimate chelonian conservation center.

In 2003 TIH was approved by the NJ DEC for a scientific holding facility and in April of '04 he began moving some of the colonies to this site. This was something that the state had been informed of, and TIH had to file detailed plans in order to obtain their permits.

This is when the problems began.

The NJ DEC believed that TIH was strictly a research institute and when they realized that 1,600 chelonians would actually be housed there they began a campaign of harassment and intimidation without any warning. In May, the DEC sent TIH a letter ordering them to stop bringing animals into the state. TIH immediately complied with this order and began attempting to regain the favor of the DEC. The DEC refused to inform the institute of where they went wrong and repeated phone calls requesting a meeting to resolve the problem went UNANSWERED, go figure. They were finally told by a high-ranking official that they were considered in violation because their permits were site-specific, and they were not technically within the boundaries of the town of Tewksbury (!). The land owner caught in the midst of the malay had a change of heart and decided not to lease the land to the institute.

Richard Ogust is not an easily deterred man, and he struggled to keep TIH moving forward. His entreaties to the state of NJ were finally answered by means of a letter from the DEC ordering removal of all animals by January 26, 2005. This was all they could take and rather than become entangled in a lengthy legal battle, sadly the decision was made to discontinue TIH's programs.

In the stroke of a pen, the NJ DEC has earned the distinction of doing more harm to destroy this massive conservation effort than any other governing organization.

When will the anti-herp movement in our state end?
Now more than ever it's important to ban together and face this rediculous wave of anti-herp legislation that is not only affecting the private hobbyist but any organization that wishes to call our state home and provide much needed herp preservation and education.

Some of you out there think that the state regulations are reasonable but this is simply not the case. Why is it that you can recieve up to a 5,000 fine for selling baby Brazilian rainbow boas to a pet shop but yet do not require a permit to keep a herd of ostriches in your back yard that can eviscerate an adult human???

The reply I got from USF&W is that they want to keep a paper trail of what exotic reptiles are moved around in state but yet they have 1 PERSON working in the exotics permitting department who's supposed to shuffle all of this data?? Try to call the exotics permitting dept with a question and see how long it takes to get a reply...

I have been a firsthand witness to some of this madness and granted, there are some real idiots out there who deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law for unlawful, illegal, and dangerous possesion of venomous reptiles and practices surrounding keeping these animals but the vast majority of dedicated herpers shun this type of irrepsonsible herp keeping.

I have worked side by side with the NJF&W in my capacity as a professional herpetologist and I am a staunch supporter of much of their field and conservation efforts to protect our native fauna and regulate the keeping of animals, but sometimes they take things a bit too far.

The NJHS will soon gain a second wind and start up again thanks to its founder Bob Sposato, it's my hopes that dedicated herpers will join and unite to voice what is most important for the hobbyists, breeders, even just admirers of these wonderful scaley creature.

Danny Mendez

For more info on Tewksbury Herpetological Institute and to help defer the costs of relocating many of its animals to qualified individuals and institutions please visit www.tiherp.com

Replies (8)

Robert Sposato Feb 11, 2005 08:10 PM

I'm ashamed to live in New Jersey sometimes. Danny's right in every sense. This is a travesty beyond words. It's going to take time to get the society up and running again. Most of all, it's going to take all of YOU - NEW JERSEY HERPERS. I'll be making updates to the website and holding an interest and organization meeting with in the next 30 days. I'm asking all who are interested and (Current NJHS Members and Non Members alike). We need your help, your herps need your help, the NJ herp community needs your help. Your pets, hobby, livelihood and scaly loved ones depend on your participation.
Let me know in advance if you interested, send me an e-mail letting me know your in this with us. Thanks for your support.

Robert Sposato
President, NJHS
NJHS

EdK Feb 12, 2005 08:51 AM

Hey,
Bob and Danny,
You know you have my support.
Bob would you want to offer a behind the scenes tour for say the first 20 people who sign up again???

Danny according to the permits, ostrichs would need to be permitted.

Ed

snakehound223 Feb 12, 2005 04:33 PM

I read that also, but I do know for a fact that there is alot more to what went on then is stated in that article. That article is totally one sided and has twisted things badly. I live in Tewksbury. The town was not on the TIH side. Plus the town that they moved to fined them for dumping contaminated waste water into NJ's ecosystem. A creek outside the warehouse that feeds into the Delaware river!! Thats all we need is to get some foreign "bug" wiping out NJ already damaged ecosystem! Remember to every story there are always 3 sides!!
In this case you have TIH side, The NJDEP side, and of course the truth! I'm all about conservation but come on dumping water into the creek lets be smart. How the hell can you be a conservationist and do something so stupid as to endanger your local ecosystem.......

snakehound223 Feb 12, 2005 04:42 PM

Ostriches are consided agricultural by the way not Exotics Pets.... A group of farmers lobby to have them listed as alternative livestock....

Kind of crazy if you ask me....

tortoise1848 Feb 13, 2005 10:23 PM

You bring up some interesting points and some that I don't understand. I am relatively new to the herp hobby. I have always had an interest in herps. I used to check out the CJHS website back in the late 90s when I first began exploring what herps would be the best for me to acquire and subsequently what herps were legal to possess. What I read in the herp laws sounded pretty legit, maybe a bit more restrictive than other states, but given problems associated to incidents mentioned in this forum (for example: Tom Rogan,the illegal Gaboon Viper bite.) I don't think the laws impose on the hobbyist too greatly. Then again, I too want what I can't have.
Can anyone tell me if its true that TIH was under investigation in NY? I heard it from a guy at the White Plains show. Also, Snakehound said they(TIH) were dumping into the trbutary brook. Is that true? I can't blame the NJDEC for withdrawaling a permit if that is the case. Can anyone substantiate or deny this? What was keepinhg TIH from moving to Tewksbury? All the plans on the website said the farm would be open last year or before that with renovations on-going. Where were they?
The other thing that struck me as odd was the guy with the rainbow boa situation. I assume that the guy was selling brazilian rainbows to the pet store had a animal dealer permit, but reading another post in the forum, it sounds like they only had the hobby permit? Is that person the same person who said they owned Mangroves? It sounds like ignorance to me. Ignorance, unfortunately is a common thread that leads to intense regulations like the ones NY adopted. Everyone should know by now that when a problem shows itself, regulatory groups start looking into them. You hear about it all the time...12 foot Python in California, Crocadile frozen in the pond. The latter of the 2 I read in a local NJ paper last year or 2003. Probably someone went over to the Hamburg show and brought it back...it got too big so they needed to get rid of it. It really is sad. I am all for conservation, but I think we need to be smart about the conservation of exotic species and the controlled situation under which conservation efforts exist.
Hopefully the NJHS can get up and running again. Perhaps reviewing the laws and offering recommendations to the NJDEC. I will be watching the website for updates...

BRYAN139 Feb 15, 2005 01:26 PM

I'm not clear from what I've read. Is it being worked on? Because it looks like the website hasn't been updated in years. The last meeting on the site is April '03. I'm not pointing fingers, I know people have to work. In fact, I'd like to get involved. I don't want to see this go the way of the venomous forum with lots of talk and nothing done. We're all in NJ, unlike the hot keepers who could be anywhere. There should be no reason we can't get organized. This is a good chance to set an example for the rest. There's already a president and a foundation set. It's time to put up or shut up. Talk is cheap. All that other crap. Let's just get it done. When's the next meeting? Who can we e-mail? Should I start printing up flyers to leave on Jersey-plated cars at Hamburg?

BRYAN139 Feb 17, 2005 11:13 AM

Lots of talk

EdK Feb 17, 2005 07:37 PM

Bryan,
Try contacting Danny and Bob directly through their e-mail as I do not know how often they check here.
If you want to help out with the organization, then take the step and e-mail them.

Ed

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