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switching to pre-killed and a couple of related questions...

deviledapple Feb 11, 2005 01:06 PM

after reading up the past week on the forums, i changed my perspective on taming my nile, and in a hand-in-hand decision also decided that the best way to go about taming him would be an immediate switch to p/k so i can feed him with the tongs. How do they take the switch? should it be immediate? if he refuses, how long can i safely wait him out? I'm assuming size makes a difference as far as waiting him out, hes rather younge, i really dont know his age, the shop i bought him from said he was aobut a year old, but im hoping they were either mis-informed or just didnt know much, as im pretty sure he was a hatchling, maybe a month old. he was about 11 inches snout to vent when i measured a week or two after i got him, and he was already growing insanely. i really dont know his size now, and hes not about to hold still so i can measure him. he hasnt come out since i put in plastic "burrows" anyways. i'd say hes doubled in mass since then tho, its been around 3 weeks since i measured. now am i best to start just placing the dead animal in there, and slowly trying to coax him to accept it off of the tongs, or should i immediatly use the tongs?

i'm also considering buying larger mammals, younge or older rats, perhaps even rabbits, chicks, chickens, etc... and using a blender or grinder of some sort, to save a bit on cash... anyone have any input on that? obviously i would be purchasing a blender purely for this purpose. i figure it would be utilizing the whole animal and so would be nutritionally complete, as long as i could stomach it. i would probably only make a "few days" batch at a time.

and a perhaps silly side question. is he eating and digesting the bones? I see him pooping out hair, but thats the only reminants of his mice i find. if he is, will he continue when he grows large enough to take animals with fairly thick hard bones, like say a rabbit?
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1.3 Dogs (max, tasha, kaya, screw)
1.0 Ghost Corn (Ghost Faced Killa)
0.1 Normal Corn (Tigera?)
1.0 Yellow Rat
0.1 Central American Boa Constrictor (Achilla)
0.1 Burmese Python
0.1 Rose Hair Tarantulla (Grumpy)
0.0.1 Usambar Starburts Baboon Tarantula
0.1 White Knee / Zebra Tarantula
2 ferrets (Otis, Milo)
1.2 Emperor Scorpion
0.0.1 Nile Moniter
0.0.1 Tegu
Jack Dempsey Tank...

Replies (2)

JPsShadow Feb 11, 2005 01:44 PM

Only you will know when he is ready to switch to tongs. he should take live or prekilled though. I have never had any of my monitors care which they are getting.

But the shy ones will not take food from the tongs right away. basically if he is shy of you and doesn't currently eat in front of you then no he will probly not take food from tongs. It will be your job to convince him otherwise. This just takes time and letting him gt used to you. Once he sees you are not a threat he will come around. If he currently eats in front of you and doesnt run to hide he will probly take to it right away.

Some of my shy monitors still will take food from tongs right away. They just do so from within their hide, the head will pop out just long enough to take the food. After awhile of this they realize I am not such a bad guy.

If I were you I would just purchase the appropriate size food item for your monitor. The blender method will leave you with a runny nasty soup. Some people on here chop up the rodents before feeding. I have done this myself but I decided it was not for me. It is much easier for me to pull out a bag of frozen feeders of different sizes then chopping them all up.

A healthy monitor in the right conditions has no trouble digesting bones. You are correct the hair is not digested, instead it acts as roughage. It cleans the pipes and gives solidity to the stool.

deviledapple Feb 11, 2005 02:28 PM

thanks for the rapid responce I'm quite releived to hear that there isnt much of a problem switching, im used to trying to persuade my snakes that realllly, its alive... look at it jump while being attached to those um.. tongs... he's semi-shy about eating in front of me, he'll kill the prey if i leave hte lid open after dropping it in and am just watching, but i always mess it up by moving around and making him dart off. he did shred one up in front of me around when we first got him, thats right about when i decided to ditch the whole idea of using the disposable cardboard hides and using plastic tubes for him, haha. the lil bugger has already outgrown his 40breeder that looked so enormous when we first put him in. i have to hurry up and finish "altering" the 180 gallon for him, haha. (just to immediatly start building a full-sized permenant cage... arnt i glad my snakes dont grow this fast!)
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1.3 Dogs (max, tasha, kaya, screw)
1.0 Ghost Corn (Ghost Faced Killa)
0.1 Normal Corn (Tigera?)
1.0 Yellow Rat
0.1 Central American Boa Constrictor (Achilla)
0.1 Burmese Python
0.1 Rose Hair Tarantulla (Grumpy)
0.0.1 Usambar Starburts Baboon Tarantula
0.1 White Knee / Zebra Tarantula
2 ferrets (Otis, Milo)
1.2 Emperor Scorpion
0.0.1 Nile Moniter
0.0.1 Tegu
Jack Dempsey Tank...

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