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Can someone please explain to me what a Burgundy Ball is? How's it different from a normal?

Thanks in advance,
Ryan

A Burgandy is just that... they have a burgandy hue instead of plain black. Some are more obvious than others. Some are hypoish and may be refered to has Burgandy Hypos. I believe some have been proven genetic (both dom and recessive) while others have not. Hope this helps...

Oz
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OZZYBOIDS

Ozzyboids pretty much said it all. They are noted to be hypo's. Here is a picture of my girl at 2200 grams. She is one of the nicest I have ever seen (I know everyone says that...but it's what everyone has been telling me as well!). She has been real busy breeding a cinny pastel this season! Who knows, maybe I'll prove out my own line and produce a burg/cinny all at once! I think this would be real neat and I have high hopes!

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John Light
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I've this big girl to try to prove out.



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Charles Glaspie

I hope to prove her out soon...
-Chris

I've posted twice here, and I've gotten battered for having ticks on an adulst Wild Caught Ball python. I know I'm not in your little "KS Ball Python Forum" group, but wouldn't my "Different colored, tick treated" WC male be in the category of "Hypomelanism", by definition?? I see a larger scale in the overall reduction of BLACK, than I see in the previous posted pix...

And the pictures somewhat fail to show the neon yellow running down the length of his body, starting at the belly line, gradually fading upwards... I'll try to get some pix of that, as the other male I picked up also has the same neon yellow coloring....
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Joe Lydon
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Everyone should feel like they are welcome here!
Afterall, new people getting excited about ball pythons
and into ball pythons is good for everyone. Welcome to
the club.

I think you have a very nice looking ball there. All you
need to do is some selective breeding to see just how 'special'
it is. Good luck!

Chris

You were the FIRST welcoming person here... Thanks for the support...
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Joe Lydon
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I do not believe its so much that the members are being rude.Its just that there is ALOT of information they would have to convey to you.
That said...welcome aboard...now go get something to drink and maybe a snack,because youve got some homework.

The link below will take you to a nice example of a ghost (which is really improper slang for hypomelanistic).Notice how the black area is "ghostly" looking?

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/Ghost Mut.htm

Here is the morph picture gallery page of his.

http://www.grazianireptiles.com/Mutations.htm

..and this is type of mutation we are discussing in this peticular thread.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/collection/pythons/ball/burgundy_ball_python.asp

...and what kind of guy would i be if i didnt give you these links as well.

http://www.ralphdavisreptiles.com/interactive/resources/ball_python_care.asp

http://www.newenglandreptile.com/CareBall.html

...start surfing
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Charles Glaspie

I'm just now venturing into the morph world of Ball pythons, I've been a stricly boa person, but not by lack of interest in anything else... I guess ya just can't dive into to many things at once, and I've got the boa thing down pretty well now, so I'm getting into balls. By definition in terms of Boas, "Hypomelanism" is a noticable degree in the overall reduction of black. (melanin) But it states the reduction is variable... I'm not saying my guy is a "Ghost" or even anything genetic, but just by definition he is Hypomelanistic... Thanks for the links, they seem to be pretty helpful as far as terms and descriptions go.. I wouldn't label my ball into any category besides Hypomelanistic... If he proves out, hopefully by then I'll be able to put him into a set category... I do know, that if he doesn't prove to be anything, I'm definitely gonna place him with a genetic female pastel, whatever the grade may be, I might end up with some smokin offspring...
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Joe Lydon
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I think i see where you are mixed up at...

Hypo boas do in fact exhibit less of a black area than their normal counterparts.However in balls the trait does nothing for diminishing the actual pattern(only lightens what is there).
If you are going to breed him for his looks...Then the actual term you would be looking for is "reduced pattern"(less of a percentage of black area).Not hypo.

Also,bear in mind that a hypo boa is a co-dominate traited animal(incomplete dominate actually)that can be used to create "Super Hypos".
Whereas a hypo ball python is a recessive traited animal and will only make hets or more hypos.No supers.
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Charles Glaspie

yes, but they don't. I have been a regular prowler and irregular poster here for about three years, and I still feel out of the loop quite a bit. I have noticed that newbies have gotten jumped on quite a bit, but it has been better lately. However, I ballance that with the fact that I, too, get tired of reading the same question 100 times. What seems to me to be the problem is that no one knows the "newbie's" level of experience, and so answers are either insultingly low-brow, or way above their heads. All of this leads to a bit of frustration on all parts, I think.

But like I said, I see this changing, so i hope it keeps getting better.
thanks for letting me add my piece.
nate.

I'm not a newbie to "Morphs", just to ball morphs...
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Joe Lydon
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I'm looking forward to seeing if she's genetic or
not. Until then...she's just a pretty looking normal.

-Chris

Here's some side shots of the other male I picked up...

Here he is in the group, bottom left...

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Joe Lydon
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>>Here's some side shots of the other male I picked up...
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>>Joe Lydon
>>Got Boids?

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Joe Lydon
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I think you got the wrong impression from the previous posts about your snake. I think everyone was in agreement that the snake had some nice coloring, but would be considered a normal and wished you best of luck proving it out. You have to remember that first and foremost the health of the snake should be your consideration. Having a snake for 2 months and not having cleaned it of parasites does not boad well. On top of that any snakes that you acquire should go through a 3 month quarantine procedure especially WC, but you're tossing them all together for group shots. This group showed concern for your snake and you got offended. If you want to see them dig into you, try posting a picture of what you think is a yellow belly, then you'll see what they can really do! Again, best of luck with the snake!
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Tosha

8.8.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and currently un-named)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope)
7.9.5 Fish (1,2,3,4...)
0.0.1 Frog rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.2 Lizards rescued from pool skimmer

I purchased all 4 ball pythons out of the same enclosure that held about 40 snakes total... As for quarentine procedures, I didn't think putting them together for a group shot would do any harm... As for the ticks, I've never had them, so I didn't identify them... To me, they just looked like off colored scales, until it was pointed out to me... At a closer look, you can see the blood red coloring, after all said and done, the ticks were removed, and I've learned something... THANKS

Also, on the hypomelanism subject.. Someone posted earlier...

"However in balls the trait does nothing for diminishing the actual pattern(only lightens what is there).
If you are going to breed him for his looks...Then the actual term you would be looking for is "reduced pattern"(less of a percentage of black area).Not hypo. "

I think the clarified description suits my ball python well... Where hypomelanism only "Lightens the pattern that is already there".. I'm not sure if the person who said that actually took a look at my snake, or just jumped in the middle of the post, but I wouldn't say he's reduced pattern at all... His pattern is quite in tact, but just drastically lightened overall... Which would conclude why I've said he is by defintion, "Hypomelanistic"... Genetic, or not..

On the other hand, the female beside him in the pic would be reduced pattern, of some degree...

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Joe Lydon
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Also, on the hypomelanism subject.. Someone posted earlier...

"However in balls the trait does nothing for diminishing the actual pattern(only lightens what is there).
If you are going to breed him for his looks...Then the actual term you would be looking for is "reduced pattern"(less of a percentage of black area).Not hypo. "
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...you missed the first line of that.Which was vital to my point.

Hypo boas do in fact exhibit less of a black area than their normal counterparts.However in balls the trait does nothing for diminishing the actual pattern(only lightens what is there).
If you are going to breed him for his looks...Then the actual term you would be looking for is "reduced pattern"(less of a percentage of black area).Not hypo.

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I think the clarified description suits my ball python well... Where hypomelanism only "Lightens the pattern that is already there".. I'm not sure if the person who said that actually took a look at my snake, or just jumped in the middle of the post, but I wouldn't say he's reduced pattern at all... His pattern is quite in tact, but just drastically lightened overall... Which would conclude why I've said he is by defintion, "Hypomelanistic"... Genetic, or not..
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So instead of seeing that i am trying to help you...you decided to say that i "just jumped in the middle of the post".(This is an open forum,of which i am a member.)Which also implies that i have not read everything previous?(Let alone saying that i didn't even look at the pics.)
Is this the reason new people dont get answers?

I stand by what i said.
By all means feel to tell other members here that they are wrong.That is if they care to respond.

Good day to you.

fyi..Unless a ball python shed shows to be clear...then it is not a hypo.
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Charles Glaspie

Am I the newbie??? The male I'm talking about, Reduced pattern???

>>...you missed the first line of that.Which was vital to my point.
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>>Hypo boas do in fact exhibit less of a black area than their normal counterparts.However in balls the trait does nothing for diminishing the actual pattern(only lightens what is there).
>>If you are going to breed him for his looks...Then the actual term you would be looking for is "reduced pattern"(less of a percentage of black area).Not hypo.
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I'm still not catching where you would say my ball is a "Reduced Pattern"... The patches that would be black on your everyday normal ball python are still showing on my ball, but they are NOT black... This is what I meant in the "Reduction of Black" aka Melanin... And as for boas, yes the saddles seem to be reduced in most cases, but there are hypo boas with full saddles and pattern, but just NO black on them, or an extremely reduced amount of black... Hypomelanism seems to bring out the color that would otherwise be non visable if the black was in place... BY DEFINITION, MY BALL IS HYPOMELANISTIC, "A VARIED AMOUNT IN THE REDUCTION OF BLACK".... Not the percentage of the area where black should be, not reduced pattern... He has full pattern, but the pattern that is there, IS NOT BLACK...(hypomelanistic)... I never once said he WAS genetic, but that does not make him any less hypomelanistic...

If a human is Amelanistic aka Albino, and they have children that are of normal phenotype... Does that mean that they are not Amelanistic because it wasn't passed??? There isn't a person on the net, that could convince me my ball python isn't hypomelanistic... Because there are too many variables in the definition... If he proves out to be anything, I can call him a genetic form of hypomelanism... Doesn't change him one bit, except the fact he can pass it.

Thank you.... Here's another pic, to see he doesn't have reduced pattern, but a reduced amount of melanin...

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Joe Lydon
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If there is no pigment on the shed skin then it's a true hypo. If there is it's a pretty snake.
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Tosha

8.8.0 Ball Python (Harry and Fluffy and currently un-named)
0.2.0 Feline (Pippen and Pandora)
0.0.1 Dessert Tortoise (Pope)
7.9.5 Fish (1,2,3,4...)
0.0.1 Frog rescued from pool skimmer
0.0.2 Lizards rescued from pool skimmer

LoL... I gotcha...
Thanks
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Joe Lydon
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Charles Glaspie

Ok, you're right.. I lose... Is that what you want me to say??? If I meant to say it was a blushing ball, I would have said that... I'm done.
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Joe Lydon
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