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really strange behaviour ...Please help soon!

cee4 Feb 19, 2005 12:54 PM

I have two female beardies in a 4x2x2 enclosure, lots of basking sites and hides etc..They have never had a problem being together.I usually feed them seperately as well...This morning my smaller female was going nuts on the much bigger one..She kept head butting the other first butting the biggers side then butting her head over and over again till I went in there and pulled her out...What kind of behaviour is this? She wasnt biting though her beard was blackish. The bigger beardie just basically sat there because she was pushed into a corner.

Okay I just went in there and found the bigger nipping the smaller ones beard...What is going on? Ive had them together almost a year now with out a problem...Please help me..Thanks
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dmlove Feb 19, 2005 01:38 PM

Its dominance - they are establishing heirarchy, and it can be extremely stressful for them. Seperate them if you want them to live happy, HEALTHY lives.

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michele608 Feb 19, 2005 02:18 PM

Does sound like a bid for dominance. One or both of them may preparing to nest (dragons will lay infertile eggs), or it may be that they have simply outgrown each other in a cage that size. In a shared cage, the one who has been established as subordinate has no way to get away and establish her own territory. This can lead to injuries, underfeeding, and stress, which increases the likelihood of health problems. Sometimes female beardies can live together, sometimes they can't. It sounds like yours cannot. Please separate their housing, for their sake.

cee4 Feb 19, 2005 02:39 PM

And according to them it should be okay to house together(figures, I do everything right and its still wrong).At the moment I only have an extra 20 gal tank that is being treated for mites from a cornsnake I had in it. Id rather wait till Im sure all the mites are dead before I start using it again..Any ideas on what to do or will it be okay to wait a week?
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dsgnGrl Feb 19, 2005 03:40 PM

I guess your dragons didn't read the manual...

Just kidding, it really depends on the dragon. Some will live together peacably, but they are really solitary critters, and don't live together in the wild. Can you put a divider in your cage? You could also clean the 20 gallon tank with a bleach solution, that would kill any mites that may still be in it. Just rinse well before putting the dragon in.

It is also possible that once your dragons establish their pecking order they will revert to living in peace again, but the submissive dragon will likely be under some stress. It is better to separate them into their own cages.
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michele608 Feb 19, 2005 04:02 PM

I wouldn't say you were "wrong", by any means. Many people do house females together, myself included, with no problems, as you did up til now. But every beardie has its own individual needs and temperament, and some just don't have any interest in tolerating shared territory. YOu see this in any animal, certainly not just dragons. Sounds like one, or even both, of your girls may be one of these. She may just be coming into sexual maturity (BTW, are you positive you indeed have two females?), and be a more inherently dominant animal.

They *may* be able to work it out between them, but again, the subordinant female cannot strike out on her own for territory, which she would be able to do in the wild, if the dominant female does not allow her access to prime basking spots, space or food. And, unless one rapidly cedes dominance, they may injure each other in the struggle.

This is just a temperament issue, not one in which you have done anything wrong. Some animals of all species, particularly females, are more laid back about shared territory than others. If one or both are nesting, that too may be a contributing factor. When dealing with any animal, there are always variations in temperament and behavior that have to be considered, and what might indeed work "most" of the time can't be guaranteed to work in every case. Providing separate housing is going to be a pain, there's no doubt about that, and I am sorry that in your particular dragons' case it didn't work, or won't work for now.

A twenty as a temporary measure may get you through for a few days, but won't be healthy in the long term. You will of course, want to be absolutely certain that the mites have been eradicated before housing anybody else in the cage (or even in the same room). I personally would not risk it. As a temporary solution, if your dragons' current cage is large enough, you could erect some sort of barrier in the middle and provide two basking spots and caves, one on each side. This would minimize both the mite risk and the stress of moving twice (once now and again into another larger cage when you get one). Of course make sure each girl has access to warm and cooler spots.

cee4 Feb 19, 2005 07:36 PM

Thanks I guess I will try and put some kind of barrier up for now..Im not sure cornsnake mites can infect dragons but Im not taking any chances..
I do have basking lights on each end of the enclosure as well as two UVB lights because it was getting too cold before. the cooler parts are on the ground and both ends have hides as well so this might work until I can arrange better lodgings for one.....What a pain....Thanks again
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spook Feb 20, 2005 12:18 AM

How many times, how many way can you "They are solitary critters." Ocassionally you can get them to live together, but often one will maim the other. Why do you want to gamble with their health?

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