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A few months ago, it seemed there were only a few different lines of Pastels -- Blonde, Lemon, Graziani, and Bell. Now I see a bazillion unproven WCs advertised. (And most of these lines probably originate from the same single specimen.) So is there REALLY a difference between the lines?

The NERD website shows photos of a stunningly colored Lemon Pastel. Truly amazing. Yet many of the so-called "Lemon Pastels" being advertised look (to my eyes) identical to the Bell or Graziani. This leads me to one of two conclusions:

(1) These are not really NERD line Lemon Pastels being advertised, but were just assumed Lemons for lack of ancestral records. (The speciman looked "lemony", so it must be a Lemon Pastel.)

(2) There really is no significant difference between the bloodlines.

So which is it?

And by the way...I do understand that each line has its own pretty/ugly specimens.

Thanks In Advance,
Chris
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"You ever heard of those? They're called parents. We have parents who love us. You don't 'cause you're a little orphan." -- Roy O'Bannon

I think by stating what blood line the Pastel is from they are trying to tell you a big breeder produced it. Its kinda like saying Hollister or Abercrombie & Fitch. Its a little like a label. Graziani lines were produced by Graziani and Bell lines were produced by Bell. But Lime Pastels and Blonde Pastels are the morph. Its like the Enchi Pastel. You also have Lesser Platty Pastels, Butter Pastels, Pinstripe Pastels, etc... which were created by mixing a morph with a Pastel. If Im wrong tell me.
James

I would say that a pastel of any line is probably just a pastel and if they ALL have UGLY/AWESOME pastels in the clutch that would also lead me to believe that pastels are pretty much the same. However I do not have that much experience in the pastel morph, So with the clutches I plan on producing this season I should know a little more about the pastel gene. I have a BELL LINE, ASF REPTILE Graziani, and a Unknown Graziani. The Unknown Graziani was purchased from someone who got the snake from someone else so they didn't know anything other than it was a Graziani. I also think that once you start with a Awesome Pastel and breed it to a HIGH yellow NORMAL then you will have babies that will be really bright in color. Just my opinion. Thanks David

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1.0 Pied(04)(RDR)
1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
0.1 poss Het Albino(03's)
2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's

I dont think the bloodline is that important because they are all so variable. Every breeder is going to post pics of their best offspring. I`m working with several pastel bloodlines and each has produced their share of screamers as well as some average looking animals.Even within an individual clutch of pastels there is going to be variability. I would advise any one looking for a pastel to judge the individual animal and not worry about the bloodline. Best wishes, Mark Petros BallPython777.com

I agree...except for the Lemon Pastel (maybe). I've read that it has no orange coloring, so consequently no "browning out" in adulthood. Yet many of the Lemon Pastels I see advertised look just like all the other Pastels. How is this?

Perhaps I should've titled this thread "Lemon Pastels: Are they worth the extra money?"

Thanks,
Chris
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"You ever heard of those? They're called parents. We have parents who love us. You don't 'cause you're a little orphan." -- Roy O'Bannon

some nice & some ok.
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Chad Bachman

Bach,

"Lemon's are just like any other Pastel..."

Did you mean that like any other Pastel, they each throw pretty/ugly offspring? Or did you mean that the Lemon Pastel LOOKS like any other Pastel?

Chris
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"You ever heard of those? They're called parents. We have parents who love us. You don't 'cause you're a little orphan." -- Roy O'Bannon

They throw pretty/ugly offspring, and most do look like other lines of pastels. If you pick a good pastel of any line they will be nice.
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Chad Bachman

I think that there are two or three noticeable differences in a few lines; Graziani, Bell and Ruppels Stonewashed. HOWEVER, I breed Graziani's and from that line, I've produced pastels that look stonewashed, and I've produced pastels that appear "lemony". Does that make them anything but a nicely coloured Grazianis? (as if Graz's line isn't nice enough) No. I think this whole "lemon" pastel line for one is brilliant marketing. Pastels are pastels are pastels IMO.
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