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I would like to know a good price range for salmon Pastels. Thanks All, Andy Federico

It was a pastel X hypo breeding.
Other than that.............I think someone is calling a hypo what it is not.
Just my two cents.
I think summit reptiles has some amazing pastel hypos for a reasonable price. I wanted to get some.........That's for sure.
John
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"To be the best..........You must lose your mind."

Pastel hypo to differentiate the difference between hypo and pastel hypo. Just curious.

Thanks
Bob

To me...........A hypo is a hypo is a hypo. I know that they can be differentiated. Orangetail/hypo.
But, to me, a pastel hypo is only a hypo that has been bred to a pastel animal. A hypo is obviously an animal that has a significant reduction in black. It is either co-dominant or dominant. A pastel is an animal that comes from a bloodline of animals that have been line bred for a specific pastel trait.
All I want you to know is this. (And this is my opinion.) The two are different beasts. Pastel is not a color. It is only a reduction of black. (So says the originator) Hypos do this naturally. It is a proven co-dominant trait. (Hypos reduce the amount of black that is present in a boa.)
So far, Pastels have only been labelled as line bred animals. (I think this will change once the originator of the name pastel proves this to be different. For example, I bred a Ronne line pastel female to an animal I feel is a Pastel Anery. Out of 21 babies...........I would only consider one to two of them being normals. Is this beginning to act in a co-dominant fashion? It's not my place to say yet. Others will with one breeding. I choose not to. This is for two reasons. One, I was not the person who came up with the title. So, in my mind, they should be the only ones who really define what the animal is. Two, I have only had one breeding with line bred pastels. Some will call an animal something after one breeding. I will not. I think breeding trials should be done before something is being said with some concreteness.
So, this is more of a buyer beware. Many will claim to have pastels and they are not. Many will coin the pastel name to sell animals. Some will actually have first generation pastels bred with hypos that could be construed as pastel hypos.
I am even getting to the point where a pastel should not be called a pastel till it is seen as an adult. Which really is not too realistic. Example, I bought two EBV X Pastel babies a couple of years ago. If I am being my anal retentive self........Only one of the females really fits my definition of a pastel. So, what is the other one? In my opinion, it is a nicely colored normal.
Are there varing degrees of a pastel? Yes, of course! I have seen it time and time again.
But, back to the point...........In my opinon, a hypo can not be defined as a pastel unless there is pastel blood in it. What really makes this tough is weither you are dealing with a proven line of pastels or not. Ronne's pastels are a proven line. Davey's pastels, I feel, are a proven line. Etc, etc. If you breed a hypo to a proven line pastel..........It should be called a pastel hypo. If not, and you breed a hypo to a nice looking normal............Then, I don't feel this is a correct label for the animal.
Summit Reptiles has a good example of what a pastel hypo should look like. I say this because I have been lusting after them. LOL!
So, that is it. I hope my late night ramblings make sense. Because I am not going to re-read my post.
John
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"To be the best..........You must lose your mind."

trait. I agree with most of what you say, however I find it very difficult to be able to even use the word pastel. It is way over-used. Do really nice looking normal boas have to have a label, shouldnt the way they look speak enough. I really think that people are using these "titles" or "labels" to market their snake and perhaps make a few more sales. Now dont get me wrong I am all for marketing, however, the term pastel in the boa world has lost its luster--sorry Jeff! It is definitely not his fault that everyone with a boa with a speck or two of pink and a reduction of melanin in another spot or two jumps on the PASTEL BANDWAGON.

In other words....LOL....I agree with you!!!

Thanks
Bob

np

CHeck out Summit Reptiles

& has a good reputation. That way you'll definitly get EXACTLY what ya want. E mail me & I'll give ya some EXCELLENT contact info.
Good Luck Andy,
Dave E.T.R.
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Actions Speak louder than words.
Dave @ East TN Reptiles

a very highly reputable breeder..... If you purchase from a well known breeder you will always ALWAYS be satisfied with the quality of your purchase.. If you purchase from someone who isnt wellknown there is no promise that you will get a healthy animal and there is no promise that the animal will be as genetically sound as you hoped.... I just want to URGE you to research into the person you wish you purchase from and do some serious background research prior to spending the money on a pastel hypo.... i would look into Rich Ihle and Constrictors Unlimited... as well as Jeff Ronne and a very few select group of people.... DO YOUR RESEARCH!

Sincerely,
Rose Hipskind
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www.srsnakes.com