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humidity vs. heat - how to maintain both

hlpdex Feb 25, 2005 08:07 PM

i have a 20 gal. tank (glass) with 2 inches of lava rock, 3 inches of dirt and live moss. there is a waterfall, fogger, fake plants and one live plant. humidity is around 80-85% WITHOUT lights on. once lit, the tank dries out. humidity is better when fogger is running but low...30% or so. without light the tank is only around 70-75 degrees. i have a RETF who i am told needs 80-85 degrees and 80-90% humidity. i can't seem to maintain both. i have put the fogger on a timer, lights on a timer, etc. but then everything is irregular.

any suggestions?

Replies (4)

SharkKing Feb 26, 2005 09:57 AM

>>i have a 20 gal. tank (glass) with 2 inches of lava rock, 3 inches of dirt and live moss. there is a waterfall, fogger, fake plants and one live plant. humidity is around 80-85% WITHOUT lights on. once lit, the tank dries out. humidity is better when fogger is running but low...30% or so. without light the tank is only around 70-75 degrees. i have a RETF who i am told needs 80-85 degrees and 80-90% humidity. i can't seem to maintain both. i have put the fogger on a timer, lights on a timer, etc. but then everything is irregular.
>>
>>any suggestions?

A couple of things:

1. Live *plants will help increase/maintain humidity.
2. A water dish will help a small amount.
3. If you have a screened top, covering off part of
it so that the moisture doesn't escape out of it
can help. Also if you have any side ventilation
covering off part of that can help.

What type of lighting are you using that would bring
the humidity level down so fast so far? Maybe if you
can, try lowering the amount of heat source/light
lamp.
From what I gather you're using some type of heat
lamp??? You could try using clamp lamps with lamp
stands for them so you could better position the
sources of both light and heat to focus on a more
specific area of the tank as well as be able to
distance them from the inside of the tank better
rather than the whole tank like an
over-the-entire-tank tank top light/heat source
might do. Hope that helps. Good luck. Peace.

Lizard~King

hlpdex Feb 26, 2005 10:28 AM

thanks. i'll add some more live plants. i am using a heat lamp that is like a hood over part of the tank.

the moss is all dead and brown, too...i have been told that the humidity drops probably caused that so now the humidity is better. i was told that the moss is probably dormant and to give it a couple of weeks to bounce back.

the frog is doing great though...despite it all. he's eating well and active at night. but i would like to get it right for him.

thanks again.

SharkKing Feb 27, 2005 07:56 PM

>>thanks. i'll add some more live plants. i am using a heat lamp that is like a hood over part of the tank.

No problem. I'ts what makes keeping these Reps and Phibs more
enjoyable. Sharing, caring and joking and poking...
Yes, I would most definitely add more live plants. I'm not
at all familiar with frogs, but yours sounds great. I do recall
when I was a kid (a long, long, time ago...) there was a lake
nearby with *lots* of domestic frogs in various stages of
devleopment. Oftentimes I would see them basking on the top
of the plant leaves of plants that had grown above the surface
of the water. If you get a chance, it might be something you
might want to add to your upcoming summer ideas of things to
do. Check out a fresh water lake to see (domestic) frogs in
their natural environment. "You can learn a LOT from a Frog!"
Hey, that sounds like a good idea for a poster. What do you
think?
As far as the live plants go you *don't* have to remove all
of them from pots before anchoring them to the bottom of your
tank. You can leave some in thesmall clay-type pots they come
in just so long as you sort of have the pots themselves down
far enough into the bottom of your tank that your frog can
easily crawl/hang out on top/in their leaves.
I imagine you use fresh water plants that grow well
submursed in water. I imagine there must be plenty
of these species of plants. A local lake would be a *good*
source (wink-wink) as long as the lake is not polluted. Of
course you'd still have to rinse them off first anyway. If you
have to clean your tank having some of your plants in pots
like that will make the cleaning of your tank much easier.

>>the moss is all dead and brown, too...i have been told that the humidity drops probably caused that so now the humidity is better. i was told that the moss is probably dormant and to give it a couple of weeks to bounce back.

Of course you should be aware that not all foggers, waterfalls,
misting systems are the same. I suspect it *can be* a case of
"you get what you pay for". If that happens you'll end up
paying the extra anyway in order to get the humidity that you
need via more plants, more work on the tank, etc... No big
deal. It's a learning process. I'm going thru the very same
thing with my Anole (a small domestic lizard from the SE/SW
US). It's not a bad way to spend some time.

>>the frog is doing great though...despite it all. he's eating ell and active at night. but i would like to get it right for him.

Well that's the most important thing. When *we* take these
animals ouit of their natural environment we have at the very
least an obligation to do all that we can to try to make their
tank/home in captivity in our homes as much like their home
in their natural environment. We owe them that much, eh? Of
course the little critters do sort of attach themselves to some
of us too. I wonder if they know that? <g>.
What king of frog do you have? Where does she comes from?
Do you plan on getting her any companionship or is there a
situation where they might start breeding and you'ld end up
with lots of little frogs? (Anoles can do that on a herp
keeper). What does she eat? A lot?
Well, glad I could give you some ideas. Keep posting.
There's lots of knowledgable folks on this board and many
very helpful as well. Peace.

Lizard~King

SharkKing Mar 01, 2005 07:38 PM

I don'y know if you'll read this in time or maybe you
already know it and I don't know what type of frog yours
is but here on the KingSnake.Com board tonight
(03/01/2005) at 9:00 PM (EST) they are having one
of their regular online chats with a guest that will
be about Dart Frogs.
It might be something you'ld be interested in
participating in. It's free and easy to access from
the main menu here on KingSnake.Com's main menu.
I checked out a chat myself and it was an interesting
expeience, although the particular chat I checked out
was on snakes and there were quite a few people online
participating but I did get my chance to ask a few
questions. It's pretty neat. If you have the time and
haven't already you might want to check it out, too.
They have another chat scheduled for (03/04/2005) at
I *think* 9:00 PM (EST) that looks interesting. If I
can I hope to check that one out if only to follow
the discussion. Peace.
Lizard~King

>>thanks. i'll add some more live plants. i am using a heat lamp that is like a hood over part of the tank.
>>
>>the moss is all dead and brown, too...i have been told that the humidity drops probably caused that so now the humidity is better. i was told that the moss is probably dormant and to give it a couple of weeks to bounce back.
>>
>>the frog is doing great though...despite it all. he's eating well and active at night. but i would like to get it right for him.
>>
>>thanks again.

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