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Hey,
Just thought I would post some new info' and pictures shot tonight, of Jet, and let everyone know that he's feeling better, and had his first meal between yesterday and tonight: 2 medium sized f/t rats. The second rat was injected with Baytril and the follow up treatments will be delivered IM. He's been through some battle and so have I, getting this poor guy better, but I think he's out of the woods. He just shed yesterday with a little help, and looks darn good if you ask me. I hope to get this guy paired up in the next few months.
-Angel


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"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
-Henry Miller.

He was lucky to be in your great care, good job.Jet is one awesome looking black blood.I wish I would have thought if injecting baytril in with a rat.

Hey Fish,
I know what you mean, given the risks involved with injections, using this drug. You have to be very careful when using it as you already know from experience using Baytril. I administered several injections IM, using the Baytril, 3 total, with chasers given SQ, of Ringers solution at the injection sites where known, and other areas to flush the kidneys, and help hydration. I found that with this technique there was no tissue damage to the injection sites, either mucle or skin. The trick is to inject deep into the muscle tissue and not SQ. He was put on Cipro (oral liquid suspension), but I found that the med was not as effective as the Baytril, and so I opted to put him back on the Baytril instead after several treatments with the Cipro. The first treatment was given by injecting the food with the drug, and the following treatments will be given IM, as there are 3 other treatments still needed to be given.

If the food (rat) were injected with the drug each time the schedule called for treatment (@ 3-days), that would mean that he would have to be fed a rat every 3 days. That would work if you were feeding very small rats.

-Angel
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"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
-Henry Miller.

Yeah, I know what you mean with feeding them medicated rats for three treatments, but atleast thats one less shot to worry about.I remember she had gotten a few big bumps where I had injected the Baytril and those ended up being the spots that killed off her scales leaving a scab and then a scare.I guess you learn by experience or learn to ask more questions.

The deceptive thing about treatment with Cipro is that you won't see a positive response with it until you have the 4 or 5 doses in the snake. Usually full recovery occurs well after the 5th and last dose has been given. Interesting to hear about your solution to the tissue damage problem of Baytril, let me know how his skin looks a month or so post treatment. Thanks,

Kelly

Hey Kelly,
Thanks for the reply. As for the skin and muscle (damage?), there are no visible signs of tissue or muscle damage thus far, and keeping my fingers crossed, I don't believe that there will be. I was so careful to inject deep into the muscle tissue, followed immediately by warm water baths and massages at the injection sites, and once procured, I administered chasers of Ringers solution at injection sites and additional areas, SQ. In all, a total of 6cc., of ringers solution would be administered following the Baytril injections. The Baytril would be administered at roughly 4 sites. He was prescribed a total of 3cc for his weight, which is quite a lot when looking at the amount of fluid in the syringe; so dividing the injection sites made sense, to minimize the probable damage to the tissues. I think that worked out just fine.

As for the Cipro, I did notice that he was still bubbling at the mouth even after 7 treatments with the oral treatment of Cipro, and that had me some what concerned as the Cipro-treatment, coupled with the initial treatments of Baytril, should've knocked the infection out by that point. I know that the two drugs are in the same family, Fluoroquinolone, and that Baytril is metabolized into Cipro and the two drugs are very similar, and are used interchangeably. At any rate, my concern that he wasn't getting better was high on my list and opted to revert back to Baytril, as I did see better results with it. The aggression and virulence of the infection far out weighed my desire to forgo the safe route in this case.

I value your knowledge and appreciate your response Kelly. Thanks again!
-Angel
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"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
-Henry Miller.

Interesting, I have never used the Cipro oral suspension and have always used the tablets myself. I am curious as to how the Cipro suspension was reconstituted, was a special diluent used or just sterile water? Thanks,

Kelly

Hey,
The Cipro was obtained from a company called VetCentric, and the Cipro, was suspended in a viscous banana flavored suspension. I was administering the drug, using an IV plastic catheter, which is just about 2 1/2" long attached to a 3cc, syringe. A total of .68cc, was given every other day. He is doing well, and am reluctant at the moment to administer the Baytril IM, as I don't want to cause him any stress, and precipitate a regurgitation in the process. I think I'll wait a day or two and see how he's doing and either forgo the treatment or administer it, based on my observation. I am aware of the therapeutic levels, and don't want to wait longer than that. Even waiting an extra day is probably not a good idea, but based on the circumstances I think that it is probably a good idea, lest I'll be wiping up puke.
-Angel
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"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
-Henry Miller.

It's a good thing you got him when you did cause from what it sounds he wasn't doing to well. Good job bro, hopefully he'll be pepped up soon and ready to make some babies.

J
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"It's my snake, I trained it, so I'm going to eat it!" - Mad Max, The Road Warrior

He looks wonderful! Hope you do very well with him!

K~

>>Hey,
>>Just thought I would post some new info' and pictures shot tonight, of Jet, and let everyone know that he's feeling better, and had his first meal between yesterday and tonight: 2 medium sized f/t rats. The second rat was injected with Baytril and the follow up treatments will be delivered IM. He's been through some battle and so have I, getting this poor guy better, but I think he's out of the woods. He just shed yesterday with a little help, and looks darn good if you ask me. I hope to get this guy paired up in the next few months.
>>-Angel
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>>"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
>>-Henry Miller.
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Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean

It took several months of work with this guy, but he's worth it.
-Angel xo
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"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
-Henry Miller.

Hey Bloods,
I hope to be able to produce some amazing little ones with this guy and one of my lovely girls. The babies should be outstanding!
-Angel
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"Until we lose our self, there is no way of finding our self."
-Henry Miller.