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Can you guess what it is? DV

Light phase Greeri.
These all look as thought they have some Pyro influence, but who knows?
Very nice Dan. I really love the pics. Keep them coming whenever you have the time.
Thanks again,
John Lassiter

It's a Tomstevens Hastohaveone-ius Tom Stevens
looks awesome!

It is a Jlassiter willhave oneofthose
LOL
Nice snake Dan,
Is it one of yours or a picture of a wild one from Mexico??
John Lassiter

That's gotta be one nicest looking mexicana's I've seen. I hope it's a true mexicana and not pyro influenced. It does look like a very light phase Geeri.
I concurr it's a Lampropeltis mexicana weallgottahaveone subspecies.
Uncloudy

Uncloudy,
I bet is was found in Mexico....
This would make it pure snake no matter what influence(s) it has. Pyros could, in fact, intergrade with Greeri in the wild. I am not saying this one is for sure though.
It is AWESOME to say the least....
John Lassiter

...a new species of Lampropeltis from Mexico, from near the Sinaloa/Durango border that is being described as a new species by Rob Bryson, which is said to be intermediate between mexicana (inclusive of greeri) and pyromelana, and clusters accordingly on the mitochondrial DNA tree?

Somewhat similar to your female "greeri" that we talked about John, don't you think???

Mike

I was not going to go too far and say that, but most of the light phase Greeri I have seen have a pyro look, the only difference this animal has is its perfect Greeri shaped bands and head shape..
The pair I got from the ex Houston Zoo employee looks different with a more colorful ground color not awesome white like the one Dan V. posted above.
My male is getting peach speckles on her otherwise white background scales. My female has a pastel yellow looking background coloration. I really think that this pair that I have are just products of generational line breeding. Perhaps..... a Pyro and/or a Thayeri were mixed in, but I don't think I will ever know.
John Lassiter

Here is my male again.....I wonder what serpentDan thinks??

I still do not know what to call or label them. For the time being I AM going to call them possible Greeri crosses..........

Maybe Dan V. can help me out............

John Lassiter

... but it is exciting to dream that there is another highly variable mexicana out there waiting to be unveiled isn't it? The line that your pair comes from sure are variable, for whatever reason and the one Dan posted could easily be a clutch mate in my opinion. I really get turned on when I think of your animals and all that you told me about them. They both are incredible looking and that male is especially cool... reeeeeeeeally nice looking animal!

Sooooooo... how long do you think Dan is gonna hold out on us before he fills us in?!!!

Tough to say John......it does look different. Dan

It's a white greeri.....not hypo, not light gray....WHITE. Dan

Is it a wild Greeri?????
John Lassiter

...and thanks for sharing and filling us in. You seem to have developed quite a taste for mexicana with a fine white ground color and rightly so. They are phenomenal to say the least. I am personally very excited to see someone like yourself become so focused on refining these beautiful white animals, that absolutely gorgeous white '04 male thayeri you sold me just gets more beautiful with every shed. Spectacular animal and an F2 to boot! He is doing exceptionally well here, eating regularly and putting on good length but staying lean and healthy like young thayeri should. He brumated this season and came out looking terrific!

Mike Kochvar

Thanks Mike. Glad he's turning out fine for you. Dan

... for producing these fine specimens and thanks for being here as well, great to see you here. This Mexicana forum is turning into a fun place to be and we all need your knowledge and experience. Stay around and teach us!

Mike

Will we start to see White Greeri's at shows and on the market?

A specimen like that could many other kingsnake lovers and enthusiasts turned on to the great mexicana subspecies.
Thanks,
Uncloudy

Oh, and I want I white phase version of this San Luis Potosi too.

That white greeri in the photo is Tim Gebhard's from several years ago. He produced two of them out of normal stock. I believe both eventually died. The closest thing to white greeri these days are the hypos. DV