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A question about a rack we put together...

Spardawolf Feb 28, 2005 08:33 AM

Hi

I was running out of room for housing so we put together a quick rack system for the sterlite tubs. After I purchased the wood I realized it was pine. I have read different things about pine, and I was just double checking to make sure that it won't hurt the snakes in any way. I realize that mostly they talk about pine as substrate, but I can definatly smell the woody smell when I walk in the room. I didn't stain or coat it with anything, it is just a temp setup. Should I be worried? I wouldn't want to jeopardize the health of any of my snakes.
Thanks and have a WONDERFUL day!!!
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Paula
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Replies (3)

firefighter2598 Feb 28, 2005 08:54 AM

I have made and used three or four different rack systems using pine alot of people will probably tell you to paint them or seal them with some kind of stain but I never have and my smakes were always fine. Personally I think the stain or paint would need longer to offgas than just the pine itself. I would build the actual floor of the enclosure that they will be laying on from pine but like you said, they will live in tubs so at least in my opinion the snakes will be fine. Good luck with that!

chris_harper2 Feb 28, 2005 09:00 AM

The concerns about pine are a fairly recent development. You don't have to go far back in the forum archives to see it commonly recommended as a substrate. Keep in mind that most of the colubrids bred for the breeder and pet trade market have been produced on pine shavings. I'd gather until recently all of the rodents fed to these snakes were produced on pine.

This does not necessarily make it right, but it certainly suggests acute toxic effects are not common.

And speaking of shavings, that's where the use of pine creates the biggest concern since that increases the relative surface area of the toxic phenols exposed to air. Solid pine is not as big of a deal. But generally we assume it's always going to be sealed when used for caging.

I don't recommend unsealed wood of any type but I have seen an awful lot of unsealed pine in cages over the years. I think it would be okay for a temporary setup but I would not stretch this out too long. At least cover the underside of each shelf (the part the snake is exposed to) with some contact paper for lining kitchen shelves, etc. Note that it does not always stick to pine very well.

Also, racks made from solid pine are more likely to shrink and expand or even warp slightly with changes in environmental conditions. For this reason I don't recommend solid pine for rack systems where pretty tight tolerances are required.
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crtoon83 Feb 28, 2005 11:04 AM

Also... someone please correct me if im wrong here, but I believe that the pine is only going to be releasing the harmful oils and such when it is dampened... or actually rubbed against. however the problems with pine are developed over a period of years.
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-Chris

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