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i've added some info to the thread below (feb 17). Since this is the year we hope to see the first definite hybinos produced i thought it worth bringing this mention to the top of the forum. Linke below is to jason's post that started the thread.

terry
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Thanksfor taking the time Terry, I always like the way you cover things from every angle to make sure everything is fully understood. Your posts seperate probables from definites, and get to the point that other posts eventually get too after numerous people reply. Great job! I think it would rule if we were ALL wrong about the Hybino and a brand new phenotype appeared. Of course I do not think that is likely...but wouldn't that be something? After this is figured out we'll still be able to wonder about the existence of "true" Anerys and also wonder about the vanishing pattern trait. Of course the Extreme Hypo will keep us entertained as well. I feel the mysteries that remain unknowns in the Hondo morphs make them all that much more fun to work with,thanks for posting Tom Stevens

here's the pale albino (bottom pic) I'm going to test breed this year . Prove it's a hypo and I've proved it's a hybino, but that's not an easy proof, as a recent post explained. The animal above it is the father of the pale albino.

Note the comments between the two pix. It's important to remember there's a lot of natural variation in Hondurans, and while the diff in these two animals appearances MIGHT end up being the key to distinguishing hybinos from non-hybinos, the differences also MIGHT relate only to natural hondo variation and having nothing to do with whether an animal's hybino or not. But this year's breedings put us closer to knowing which is the case.

peace
terry

HEre's a full-bodied pic of the animals in the close-ups above.

Remember the redder animal was a possible hybino at one time (had the genetic possibility of being a hybino) but was tested and proved NOT to be; the paler animal has not yet been tested, but will be test-bred this year.
Terry

That is really cool looking. I don't think I have ever seen that pic and it really does look unique to me. I can't wait to see what's what with these guys. Tom Stevens

Terry,
To help you out I can house that non hybino for you. Seeing as how it is of probably no use to you and all. I am a nice guy like that. LOL Very nice animals.
The lighter one is like the pics of the animals that I was refering. It seemed as though the consensus (spelling) was that that was what a Hybino would look like. I was just wondering originally if that had been decided at some secret meeting or something. LOL
Later Jason

>>... The lighter one is like the pics of the animals that I was refering. It seemed as though the consensus (spelling) was that that was what a Hybino would look like.

well, sometimes the consensus is right. I"ve noticed only VERY few of the pale babies, though. Maybe soon i can post a pic of the two 04s i held back, but i didn't keep any of the more typlical "bright" ones to include in a pic for comparison so the diff might not be obvious. I don't recall seeing any pix of pale ones anybody else had produced, but maybe i wasn't looking closely enuff,. It has seemed to me like most people's pix are of beautiful (bright, rich colors) tangerine albinos.

anyway, i only remember seeing one or two pale ones out of my production prior to 04, and then three, maybe four, in 04. Of course, only 25% of the albinos I'm producing from my hybino project would BE hybinos, so those low numbers are compatible, at least, with the theory that they might be the hybinos.

and a reminder to others reading this post, the fact that one animal's redder and the other yellower, or that one's got bold white, and the other creamy yellow, doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the "hybino-ness" of either animal, those differences are amont the natural variations in hondos, including regular albinos, wild-types, etc.

peace
terry

Hello,
I was looking at your posts about trying to prove an animal is a hybino, and I thought of a way to prove with 100% certainty that a known albino, possible hypo is indeed a hybino. Breed it with a het hypo. If ANY of the babies come out hypo, you know for sure. Maybe that's not an original idea, but if I was reading your posts right, you're trying to do it the other way around.

Nate

After thinking about it a bit, I realized that even in the situation I described, you still have the same problem... you could still theoretically get hypos even if the suspected hybino was only het for hypo. Thought I was pretty clever there for a minute!

Nate

>>After thinking about it a bit, I realized that even in the situation I described, you still have the same problem... you could still theoretically get hypos even if the suspected hybino was only het for hypo. Thought I was pretty clever there for a minute!
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>>Nate

Hi Nate,

Yeah, but keep trying. I think i'm pretty clever every once in a while, and I'm usually wrong. But throwing out ideas & testing them is what leads us to the good ideas. I had a boss once (in publishing) who said if you weren't trying SOME things (new products, in this case) that failed, you weren't trying enough things. Had to agree.

peace
terry