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why we don't give up on nuisance feeders....a story..

kw53 Mar 04, 2005 09:20 AM

1992 I attended one of the first decent herp shows to hit the Phoenix area. While there, I saw my first knoblocki Mt King, a really fine white and orange beast about four feet long. Not for sale. Dwayne Richards had it at his table. He now specializes in designer ball pythons, but at the time, he and Steve Osborne of Professional Breeders were in on breeding knobs, among other extraordinary and cutting-edge coubrids. Anyway, this knob was to die for, and a few years later, I saw its twin as a hatchling for sale at another phoenix show, again at Dwayne's table. Had to have it, even though Dwayne warned me that it was a finicky eater. I had some experience with Mt Kings, having bred Sonoran Mt Kings for several years, so I decided to have a lash, since I kew this knob would haunt me if I passed on it.

It was years before I saw another like him, although I have seen a few since.

Well, in for a penny, in for a pound, so I had to get a female to go with. I chose a classic looking female hatchling, and brought them home.

The white male ate the same day I brought him home. Just a bit of scenting, and he was off on defrosted fuzzies. He's coming up on his twelfth birthday, and has fathered some nine clutches.

The female was another story.

She refused anything that even looked like food, and had to have mouse tails forced for months. Then I started forcing baby lizards....for months. Grrrr! I built her a rockpile in a ten-gallon aquarium. I heated one end of her cage. I left food magazines around where she would see them--nothing! Each time I forced a meal, I first offered the food to her choice. One day, for no particular reason, she ate her first lizard voluntarily.

Gotcha.

In time, she got so used to the idea of eating that she was willing to consider alternative food items rather than go hungry, and she began to accept scented, defrosted pinkies. Eventually, she took unscented, and turned into an eating machine. She's eleven now, and huge. She eats defrosted jumbo mice every week, and has given me six clutches, last year's numbering thirteen. All healthy, all hatched, all sold.

Here she is.

These days, I'm trying to get my Eastern Coachwhips to routinely accept food voluntarily. Each has accepted small lizards from time to time, but then they go off feed again. As Sighthunter has pointed out, it's a bad idea to allow a coachwhip to go too long without food, since they decline rapidly with that high metabolism, so....I'm forcing rat tails and defrosted pinks again. Grrr! Again.

The lesson of my mama knob is one I've had repeated many times in over thirty years of snake keeping. I'm not giving up. Someday, maybe I'll be able to post the hatching of the first babies of the little poops who now vex me.

Anyway, it's time for a feeding. Gotta get out the forceps and beaten egg. Again. Grrr.

Replies (3)

jasonmattes Mar 04, 2005 09:49 PM

sweet looking kings you have there..
I have a blue racer myself that will only eat crickets..i have had it from probobly 6-7 months now..i am going to try a frog as soon as i can catch one..they have just started coming out. so far i have offered him mice, rats, and an anole. But at least he eats crickets...i was thinking of smashing up some crickets into some nasty cricket paste and smearing it all over a fuzzy mouse.
Good luck with the coachwhip..they are awsome snakes

FRAN Mar 06, 2005 11:35 AM

Yea, that scenting cricket on a pinky should work especially if you wash the pinky first. And racers and coachwhips must have a hot spot such as a heat lamp to digest their meals properly. They actually need to heat their bodies or else the food rots in their stomachs and they do not feed well and often will later die of some stomach bacteria problem, so if you get a heat lamp, you should notice a change in their attitude. They seemingly need to be heated to energize themselves and chase down their prey. I have tried to keep them without a heat lamp and they do not fair well after a few months and need the light.

eastindigo Mar 08, 2005 12:54 PM

FYI... My eastern coachwhp male greedily accepts ft/non-scented pinks whenever offered. It took 15 forced(pinkie pump), 12($6) anoles, and a few scented pinks. Things can change, but for now I have an eating machine. By the way, movement, he has to have movement. I also switched from hand to 12" tongs, they don't seem to bother him. I also noticed that after he strikes and holds, he seems to eat faster if he sees movement, even from me. It's been a good week on other fronts as well. I have a melanistic garter that all the sudden decided to eat mice. 2 years of trying to switch from fish. 2 scented, and off to the races. The next feeding it ate 4 hoppers! Don't give up, it takes time and the rewrads are great.

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