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Breathing question

Blue_Lily Mar 05, 2005 10:24 AM

I was watching my green tree this morning and I noticed something... Every time she breathes I can hear it. She isn't doing it through her mouth or anything. Her nose isn't clogged. The sound isn't to loud or anything its just like the sound a human would make when we open our mouth. I just fed her last night could it be the way she is coiling? Should I be worried? At night she is pretty active like normal, her stools are well formed. If I keep any part of the cage above 75 during the day she will hide on the ground and regirgitate anything she has eaten, 70 seems to be good for the night. She goes down to get water out of her bowl at night (she gets all wet and goes back to the top, doesn't soak), she doesn't seem to like mistings at all and crunches up in a tighter taller form when she is misted (I still mist her twice a day though). I'm keeping the humidity around 80% and the cage has good ventalation. She is about three or four months old.
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Replies (9)

blue_lily Mar 05, 2005 11:04 AM

Never mind she just moved and isn't doing it any more.
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jungledancer Mar 05, 2005 06:43 PM

Something seems very wrong to me... your temps are quite low for a gtp neonate. Do you have a way to accurately check your temps? I'm wondering if you're temps are good but they are just reading low?

blue_lily Mar 06, 2005 04:33 AM

I took her to the vet the first time she regirgitated. They said she was fine and they suggested diffrent size food and nto to handel her for a few days after she eats (I didn't do that any way she is nippy when picked up) they didn't specialize in reptiles and were pretty much the only people around that would even see her (since she bites). They did a fecal exam and all that and it came back fine. So I tried a diffrent size of food that didn't help. Then when I was out getting her food again I talked to a lady that owns Emerald Coast reptiles, that has Emerald Boas (and is now a breeder of them). She said hers were doing the same thing when she got them and she talked to a local breeder about it (hers were wild caught adults though, mine is a captive breed baby and obviously a python), she said the other lady said to keep them in a room that was airconditioned to be at most 75 degrees during the day(she has been keeping them like that for the last few years she said). So I tried the same thing. She hasn't regirgitated since and stays up in her perches. The place I got her from kept her in a room temperture shoe rack system, with a dowl rod in the middle and a wet paper towel at the bottom (they did say they imported their snakes from a breeder in asia). I'm using a zoo med analog thermometer its up tword the top on one of the sides so it could be off a few degrees (she is in one of those preformed plastic granate colored cages with the sliding glass and a vent cut in the top). She is eating live pinkie and fuzy size mice, wont eat frozen and I started my own colony before I got her to make sure they don't have mites anything. Personally I don't like it that cold in that room since I sleep in there. Its a bedroom doesn't have any excessive activity. I have the lights on a timer and cycle her around 12 hrs, I cut back half an hour on feeding day. I had a normal light in there but it was to hot and she would go to the bottom and sleep in the subtrate (tried the lowest I could find which was 25 watts, then moved to a night light versian thats like 7.5 but I couldn't see much). So I've been trying diffrent lights. I decided on a 2.0 UVB reptile bulb since it gives the best colors and no real heat. She is pretty active at night time a few hours after her lights go out. Moves around a little during the day but ususally its like to repostition her head. Any ideas on how to get the temperture up in there with out making her regirgitate? Any one else had a baby that didn't like the high tempertures? Could it be since it was winter when I got her she sensed it and for what ever reason wanted lower temps?
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crtoon83 Mar 05, 2005 11:18 PM

i'd take her to a vet... those temps are realllly low for your neonate. my adult stays at 85/80, and babies generally need to stay warmer (less body mass to absorb the heat, so it needs to be wamrer to get same effect.) I'd take her to a vet for a checkup just to be sure.
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Brandon Osborne Mar 06, 2005 01:07 PM

my adult stays at 85/80, and babies generally need to stay warmer (less body mass to absorb the heat, so it needs to be wamrer to get same effect.)

I don't necessarily agree with this. I think anything over 85 is dangerous for babies. If you pay attention of weather patterns of Indonesia, temps hover around 82-86. In my experience, babies have done best at temps of 80-82. These guys don't like a lot of heat, but I do agree that the original poster's temps are too low. I would do some research on the origin of the animal to make certain it is CAPTIVE BRED. My guess would be that it's more than likely and import.....but I could be wrong.

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Blue_lily Mar 06, 2005 03:38 PM

I got a new digital thermometer today the diffrence was about three degrees so its about 78.5 in there tword the top, so night should be around 73.5, but I'm going to put in a night glow light to raise it up a bit to see what happens. She was actually in a pretty good mood today and let me pick her sort of up just not totally out of the branches so I got her on one of the lowest and took a few pics.
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Blue_lily Mar 06, 2005 03:45 PM

Oh she also came from Ben Siegel Reptiles down in Deerfield Beach, FL. Has any one done any type of business with them? I know she is parasite free and all of that but what would you consider nippy or just a bad tempered jayapura? I can reach in touch her glide my fingers over her the only time she nips or bites really is when she is taken off a branch she wants to be on or provoked by food, but I can hold her and move her from branch to branch. I think she is pretty well mannered. What should I be watching out for if it was something like farm raised problem wise? At that small is there any real possiablity of being wild caught? Here is another picture. She didn't like the flash as you can see.
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jungledancer Mar 06, 2005 10:30 PM

I have one more thought... this is a small 3-5 month old baby, probably in the 25-50 gram weight range and it's just been moved from it's probably small rack space too a Vision enclosure. I have a couple of their 111's and think that these can be a little overwhelming for a small guy like yours. It may just be feeling a bit insecure in it's big new world. I'd bring up my temps a little bit, and offer small meals only once a week while giving just quiet time to acclimate.

I've had a couple snakes go off feed when moving up to larger enclosures, make sure you just continue to mist regularly and keep your baby hydrated. I would give off at least two weeks before offering next meal if your baby does regurge a meal. Regurge is not usually a problem with chondros as much as it is with Emeralds.

It looks like you've provided a nice habitat for your baby too... it's probably not used to all the green... it sure looks like a sorong type baby to me and they have a pretty good reputation for being nice chondros. It's "snappiness" now will almost certainly be outgrown by the time it's a couple years old. The dealer you got it from has some very nice animals, but an awful lot of animals go through his place so it's wise to continue watching for any potential problems. I'd just do follow up fecal exams over the next few months to be sure your baby continues to be healthy.

I also use vision enclosures with pretty heavy substrate and to help keep temps stable I use standard sheet styrofoam insulation on the bottom and sides of the exterior of the cage.

Very pretty baby, good luck with him/her!!

Blue_lily Mar 07, 2005 08:07 AM

Thanks every one! I started raising her temps again last night. This time she has responded by streatching out under the higher temps and nothing has come back up and she seems to be doing great with it.
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