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Hey, could you post a few pics of clear-bellied BPs?
Would you define a BP belly as "clean" or "white" if only the larger, middle scales of the belly are completely white? Also, is this more common in any certain morphs?
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2.1 Ball pythons
2.1 newly rescued ball pythons *new*
1.0 Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1 albino Cranwell's horned frog
1.0 bearded dragon
1.0 Tiger salamander
1.1 breeding Clawed frogs
1.0 black kittycat
3.1 Oscar cichlids
0.1 Paint horse mare

Here is a picture for you. I believe it is common in mojaves,pastels,cinnys. Their are probally others as well.

>>Hey, could you post a few pics of clear-bellied BPs?
>>Would you define a BP belly as "clean" or "white" if only the larger, middle scales of the belly are completely white? Also, is this more common in any certain morphs?
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>>2.1 Ball pythons
>>2.1 newly rescued ball pythons *new*
>>1.0 Boa Constrictor Imperator
>>0.1 albino Cranwell's horned frog
>>1.0 bearded dragon
>>1.0 Tiger salamander
>>1.1 breeding Clawed frogs
>>1.0 black kittycat
>>3.1 Oscar cichlids
>>0.1 Paint horse mare

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Thomas Jones
aligatorhunter@cox.net

If black marks are only excluded from the big middle scale I wouldn't call it a "white belly". Ideally, I look for little or no black on any of the three middle scales (yellow belly and het pied both can come in on the outside scales a little).

There are probably non-genetic causes of full white bellies and there are probably also some that fall into the category of "normal" but are genetic. That is to say there might be some genes that cause white bellies in normal ball pythons but it never gets any more morph like than that so is considered "normal".

I've heard that white belly "normals" might tend to make extra nice pastels when bred into pastel lines but I haven't seen any corroboration of this - just one source.

Even if all white bellies aren't an indication of interesting genes I'm still always on the lookout based on so many morphs having white bellies. I believe all of the following hets have white bellies: pastel, phantom, lesser, mojave, cinnamon, high yellow lemon (Vin Ruso leucistic het), fireball, yellow belly, and 70-80% of het piebalds (the markered ones). I also think that homozygous stripe and clowns have white bellies but I'm not sure if the hets have a tendency to have them (I know at least some hets for those two don't have them). I'm not aware of any tendency for white bellies in het ghosts, albino, or axanthics but as with any of these things I've seen very few animals in person so much of this is based on reliable reports, posted pictures, or only having seen one or two. So, while I doubt all or perhaps even most white bellies are het for something I think enough hets have white bellies that I'm bothering to work with three probably ch females with white bellies just in case. I wouldn't spend a lot extra for one but if you see one in a pile of 30 this April and need more females anyway why not pick that one?

I have a female with a white belly. She passed similar traits to a few of her offspring last year.

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baby

Thanks you guys; really awesome pics.
My male would not technically be a white-bellied snake, though. His middle belly scales are all white, but there are a few dark markings on the side belly scales. Ah well.
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2.1 Ball pythons
2.1 newly rescued ball pythons *new*
1.0 Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1 albino Cranwell's horned frog
1.0 bearded dragon
1.0 Tiger salamander
1.1 breeding Clawed frogs
1.0 black kittycat
3.1 Oscar cichlids
0.1 Paint horse mare

I would be breeding her back to her son if he looks like her! I have some that have interesting traits one female that looks a bit like yours, that I intend to line breed just for the heck of it, either way they are beautiful.
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Nita Hamilton
4.13 Normal BP's, 1.0 Het Orange Ghost BP, 1.0 Het Pied 1.0 50% poss Het Orange Ghost BP's

I would've done that, but all her babies were girls and I ended up selling that one. I didn't breed her this year, so I'll try her again next year with a pastel male.

Male...If so I think you might be onto something. The snakes you pictured have a very kool side pattern. Thanks DAVID
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1.0 Albino(04)(RDR)
0.1 Spider(04)(RDR)
3.2 Pastels(03's)(04's)(ASF,Graziani,Bell lines)
0.1 Yellow belly(unproven)(04)
1.3 Yellow belly(unproven)(02,03,04's)
2.0 100% HET CLOWN(04's)(MHMR)
3.3 100% het albinos(03's)(high contrast bell line)
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2.0 100% het pieds(03's)(Vin Russo,CRE)
0.2 100% het pieds(03's)(04's)(RDR,TWL)
1.2 Poss het pieds(03's)(PETE KAHL)
2.1 Poss het pieds(00's)(01's) hoping to get PIEDS this year(Vin Russo, Pete Kahl)
25 Normal adult females
60 04 females
15 normal mixed 03's
20 Assorted weird ball pythons 04's