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Ok I know this sounds weird but.... I bred two albino California kingsnakes together and all the babies came out looking somewhat normal. I say somewhat normal because they seem to loose some color with each shed. I am certain that the male albino is the father as he is the only one I have and this has happened two years in a row. I do not know how to post pics on here so if you think you can help please email me at.
karmakritters@comcast.net
Thanks for taking the time to read this and for any help you may be able to give.

Pics of each of the parents would help, but I think you may have bred a lavender albino calking to a amelanistic calking. They offspring from this pairing would be normal looking and 100% double het for amel and lavender albino. Breeding a pair of the offspring together would prove this guess of mine out.
Also can you post any pics of the offspring? Pictures do say a thousand words...........
John Lassiter

I sent you an email.
John Lassiter

it sounds like you've bred an albino cali king to a lavender cali king . I have seen lavenders that look very similar to albinos except for the slight variation in the color of the eyes. That's the only logical explanation I can find for the "phenomena" you've described...

post some pix of the parents, try to get a few shots of the eyes.

~ZF

Damn it! Hit the reset button instead of post lol.

So, I'll shorten my 2 paragraph post down to a few sentences.

I've chatted with Sam a few times about the snakes as I was interested in some of the "unique" offspring.

I figured the two snakes each had incompatible albino traits, it happens.

Both of the adult albinos look to be true albinos, pink/red eyes, not dark, blue, black, etc.

I have pics of the adults, and a pic of what looks to be a hypo cali king(1 of the offspring), and I could post the pics with Sam's permission?

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I just got finished with some correspondence with Sam and he purchased the adults as ruby eyed lavender albinos. They look amelanistic but could possibly be double homozygous. Since all the offspring look hypomelanistic then I came to a conclusion that they were two different strains of albino but both coincidentally were het for hypo, but this does not explain why all offspring came out looking hypo...............HUH?
John Lassiter

Sounds like a combination of albino & lavender cross. Remember not all albinos look alike (although it IS the same gene) and not all lavenders look alike (although it IS the same gene). Last year I also bred a male lavender (banded) to a female albino (high white) and produced all "normal" looking cal kings. Although they aren't albino or lavender, they sure aren't "normal". They all came out lighter/"hypo" looking. Are they "hypo", who knows? I'm not calling them "hypo" yet until I can gentically prove it. Hypo in cal kings (IMO) has not been clearly defined or proven.

Anyways, back to the lavender, albino crosses. Here is a pic of the parents............

Hypo, who knows, but definitely different!

Kerby...

Kerby,
Do you think if you bred a pair of these hypo looking calkings together you would get albinos, lavenders and some more hypo looking ones??? Now that would be a nice variable clutch wouldn't it?
John Lassiter

**Do you think if you bred a pair of these hypo looking calkings together you would get albinos, lavenders and some more hypo looking ones??? Now that would be a nice variable clutch wouldn't it?**

It would be just like any other. Like corn snakes (amel & anery), breeding those double hets in corns will give you 4 kinds of snakes in the same clutch (normals, amels, anerys, & snows), and if they are both hypo then they would be triple hets.

I have no idea if that "look" in these double het cal kings will be intensified if bred back to each other or not. It may be hard to tell since I would be producing lavenders, albinos, normals AND Albino Lavenders (whatever THAT is suppose to look like) by breeding back to each other.

My goal is to produce a bunch of combinations of double het cal kings. I already have the Blizzard (albino & melanistic) and I will be breeding a Blizzard to a Lavender producing 100% triple het babies (albino, lavender, melanistic). I will also be breeding a Lavender to a Ghost producing double hets (Lavender & Ghost), I will take those babies, breed back and produce a snake (1/16) that displays both Lavender & Ghost at the same time (whatever we are going to call THAT. I will then breed those to Blizzards producing quad het cal kings, and when bred to each other again; AND THEN I WILL HAVE TO MAKE UP NAMES for a cal king that is:
Lavender Ghost = ??
Albino Ghost = ??
Melanistic Ghost = ??
Albino Lavender = ??
Albino Melanistic = Blizzard
Lavender Melanistic = ??

Then the cal king that shows 3 traits at one time.
Albino Lavender Ghost = ??
Albino Lavender Melanistic = ??
Melanistic Albino Ghost = ??
Ghost Melanistic Lavender = ??
Did I miss any? LOL

And of a course a cal king that displays all 4 at the same time?

Kerby...

I can't wait to see all of those Kerby........
Sounds like you are having fun over there.
John Lassiter

Most of the babies came out aberrant. Some more banded, and others more high white.

Kerby...

Siblings of Lavender Banded x Albino High White.

Kerby...

Kerby,
By there appearance they do look Hypo to me. Sam's babies have more dark pigment (they are not high white) but they too look Hypo.
The parent snakes both look like regular amels but one is not bright white. Maybe one is a lavender and the other an amel.
Thanks for the info....I appreciate it as I am sure Sam will/did.
John Lassiter

John, e-mail me the pics and I will post them here on this thread.

azmilk@cableone.net

Kerby...

Last year I bred a Mendota (melanistic) to a Newport and produced mostly Newport & aberrants, but one in particular came out looking "hypo". Not calling it that though. All the babies are het for melanism.

Kerby...

Newport x Mendota (melanistic)

Kerby...

Kerby...

Unless things have changed over the last 10-12 years, there are 3 unrelated strains of albinos in Cal kings. The typical amelanistic and 2 different strains of Lavender. I would assume that the Blue-eyed Blonde would be lumped into one of the lavender strains, but I'm not certain. If it is not, then you could consider there are FOUR strains of albinism in Cal kings. Sometimes info gets lost and we have to do the leg work ourselves. Good luck.

Brandon Osborne

Thanks for all the help. It is great to have resources such as these forums to figure these things out.